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jocat54 wrote:

EEllis wrote:

jocat54 wrote: So my question would be....why in the world would a teacher let this escalate to such a state over a Tshirt?
Doesn't really seem that there were really any adults present.

I don't know what really happened, I wasn't there, but it sure looks to me like all this could have been handled a lot differently.

Maybe like adults in charge?

I could come up with a dozen scenarios where it was clearly the kids fault. The only reason to assume it was the teacher escalating the issue is because it fits a internal narrative you prefer. Heck we don't know that the teacher is even anti gun or NRA, they could just have been trying to enforce what they thought was a school policy. While I thinks it's stupid I bet there are many schools where it would be against policy so it's possible to have an honest misunderstanding without having sinister motives.

I don't think I posted anything about who's fault it was.....just wondering how a adult could let it escalate to the point it did....they are suppose to be in charge.
I prefer that people don't put words into my post.

"Maybe like adults in charge? "Hey you don't have to say your implication was more than enough. Honestly I've heard more than one different description of the story so trying to comment on "how they could let it escalate" when we don't know for sure there was "escalation" seems silly so I won't bother.

VMI77 wrote:

You're giving the teacher too much credit. It's 100% ideological. The left uses every scrap of power they can muster to destroy their opponents. If that means ruining the life of a child in order to advance their agenda, they have zero qualms about it. If they had the power right now to attempt to round up and exterminate Christians, conservatives, gun owners, etc, then we'd be fighting for our lives. The real shame here is that there are so many people in law enforcement, like the officer in this case, who are willing to help the left destroy the Republic.

Mind reading appears to be a skill of yours also.

As far as the rest it's WV

jocat54 wrote: So my question would be....why in the world would a teacher let this escalate to such a state over a Tshirt?
Doesn't really seem that there were really any adults present.

I don't know what really happened, I wasn't there, but it sure looks to me like all this could have been handled a lot differently.

Maybe like adults in charge?

I could come up with a dozen scenarios where it was clearly the kids fault. The only reason to assume it was the teacher escalating the issue is because it fits a internal narrative you prefer. Heck we don't know that the teacher is even anti gun or NRA, they could just have been trying to enforce what they thought was a school policy. While I thinks it's stupid I bet there are many schools where it would be against policy so it's possible to have an honest misunderstanding without having sinister motives.

mamabearCali wrote:What do the police have to do with school dress codes to start with. This was not a police matter. Speaking is not a crime...contempt of cop should not be a prison worthy offense. A teacher screaming at a student over a shirt IMO is a matter for HR and possibly the counseling department.

Yet another example of a person (this time a teen) getting railroaded because someone got their shorts in a twist and want this teen to learn to fear and tremble as serf instead of standing as a citizen.

Didn't I hear that the interaction between the teacher and the student over the shirt ended with a disturbance that included 30 kids standing on tables? So if the "cops" responded to that rather than an issue with the kids shirt it sure makes a difference in how it's viewed, at least from my perspective. Then again I've heard that the principul may have called the police when the kid was in the office and the charge was because the kid wouldn't talk. My point being since we can't get a good understanding of what happened making sweeping comments seems precipitous to me.

jimlongley wrote: Sorry, I disagree. If the kid was trying to explain himself to the officer and the officer wasn't willing to listen and told him to shut up, then the kid was within his rights to go ahead and talk. I have personally seen, a couple of times, and many times on You Tube and "Cops" when officers threatened to arrest someone for obstruction when they were doing nothing more than explaining their version of events. "Tell it to the judge." and "Let the judge/jury sort it out." is a popular answer, but doesn't, to me, rise to the level of obstruction, particularly when, say, a teacher is standing there freely giving her version of events without any counter.

"If you won't shut up, I'm taking you to jail." is a pretty poor attitude to me.

Well what if the Officer was trying to speak with others and the kid wouldn't shut up making the officers job more difficult. That more than fits the requirements of the law and seemingly fits the scenario. And in the whole "Tell it to the judge" situation, again you stop if the cop says so. If the officer feels they have PC, the judge comment is a clue that they think it should go to the court to decide and that the cop isn't going to hold court in the street, they are not required to listen to you without end, and yes you can interfere by trying to force them to listen when they are trying to do something else. Of course in your version the kid should shout down the teacher who would be trying to describe events to the officer.

K.Mooneyham wrote:
Were this kid's parent(s) not called? Why is it that the school felt it okay to simply call in law enforcement because of a T-shirt they didn't like, obviously for political reasons? I would understand if the kid was 18, 17, maybe even 16...but he was a middle schooler. The parent(s) should have been called unless the kid was just outright violent. And I don't consider being mouthy as violent unless physical threats were made.

My understanding is a teacher at lunch said something to the kid about the shirt and it ended up with kids standing on tables yelling. Doesn't sound like the cop showed up because of anything but the disturbance. You do realize many schools have cops that work right there in the school. It very well may happen that no one called anyone that the officer simply responded to the disturbance. As far as the officers actions we just don't have enough info but there certainly appears to be more than enough PC to support the charge.

cb1000rider wrote:Political speech has been ruled on many times within the public school context... I'd like to see the T-shirt too.
I still think this kid just bought himself a tax-payer college scholarship courtesy of some over-zealous educators and law enforcement.

I'm not so sure. Officially he wasn't arrested for the shirt. Heck the cops weren't there for the shirt but rather the disturbance that occurred when the teacher asked/told the kid he couldn't wear it. The Officer comes in and try's to figure out what's going on and the Kid won't stop talking long enough for the Officer to do so. Contempt of cop? Well I guess you could say that but we don't know how many times or what the Officer tried to get the kid to shut up and yes he does need to allow the Officer the ability to do his job. We don't give Cops all that many tools to handle situations like that. It's all very well to say he should of been able to handle a 14yo without arresting him but if you have told the kid to stop, then stop again, then stop or else, well then arresting people is what you do. Would I be happy about this happening , no but that's a far cry from preferring an outcome to being legally or civilly liable because the kid talked himself into a ride.