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- Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:01 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Poll to increase or relax background checks
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2543
- Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:37 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Poll to increase or relax background checks
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2543
Re: Poll to increase or relax background checks
Thanks folks.
While it is true that many of our "rights" are being infringed, it is also true that by a strict interpretation of the Constitution most or even all of these restrictions are completely unjustifiable.
Social Utility is seldom a sufficient reason for infringing a core human right (i.e., speech, religion, self-defense and bearing arms.)
In the case of firearms however, ALL of the "social utility" arguments actually go IN FAVOR of REMOVING "gun control" or at worst are neutral.
In the first place, arms save more lives than the ones lost by their misuse. Even if we foolishly believed that all accidents and misuse would magically disappear if firearms were just put under "common sense control" this would still mean a vast loss of life, property, health, and well-being by those law-abiding citizens who could no longer defense themselves.
In the second place, it is a simple fact that: None of the US Department of Justice, Centers for Disease Control, nor the National Academy of Science has been able to identify any (ANY!) gun control law which can be shown to reduce any (ANY!) of murder, violent crime, suicides nor accidents.
NOT ONE SINGLE "gun control law" can be shown to be EFFECTIVE at what it is supposed to be doing (even ignoring the loss of the value that firearms offer.) NOT ONE!
This includes the "obviously common sense" idea of "background checks" -- even many otherwise 2nd Amendment supporters will suppose there is SOME utility in background checks even though this has NEVER BEEN DEMONSTRATED (and many have tried many times, including those above.)
Less than 100 criminals are prosecuted each year for Brady/NICS violations -- and the vast majority of those are because the authorities needed to arrest or prosecute a criminal but can't immediately make the real charge stick, or as a "predicate felony" for a conspiracy or RICO charge.
http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e0406/final.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Clearly a law that cannot be shown to work, and which is only enforced on the law-abiding is an egregious infringement of freedom.
Now THIS is just COMMON SENSE, right?
Unfortunately not common enough.
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HerbM
While it is true that many of our "rights" are being infringed, it is also true that by a strict interpretation of the Constitution most or even all of these restrictions are completely unjustifiable.
Social Utility is seldom a sufficient reason for infringing a core human right (i.e., speech, religion, self-defense and bearing arms.)
In the case of firearms however, ALL of the "social utility" arguments actually go IN FAVOR of REMOVING "gun control" or at worst are neutral.
In the first place, arms save more lives than the ones lost by their misuse. Even if we foolishly believed that all accidents and misuse would magically disappear if firearms were just put under "common sense control" this would still mean a vast loss of life, property, health, and well-being by those law-abiding citizens who could no longer defense themselves.
In the second place, it is a simple fact that: None of the US Department of Justice, Centers for Disease Control, nor the National Academy of Science has been able to identify any (ANY!) gun control law which can be shown to reduce any (ANY!) of murder, violent crime, suicides nor accidents.
NOT ONE SINGLE "gun control law" can be shown to be EFFECTIVE at what it is supposed to be doing (even ignoring the loss of the value that firearms offer.) NOT ONE!
This includes the "obviously common sense" idea of "background checks" -- even many otherwise 2nd Amendment supporters will suppose there is SOME utility in background checks even though this has NEVER BEEN DEMONSTRATED (and many have tried many times, including those above.)
Less than 100 criminals are prosecuted each year for Brady/NICS violations -- and the vast majority of those are because the authorities needed to arrest or prosecute a criminal but can't immediately make the real charge stick, or as a "predicate felony" for a conspiracy or RICO charge.
http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e0406/final.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Clearly a law that cannot be shown to work, and which is only enforced on the law-abiding is an egregious infringement of freedom.
Now THIS is just COMMON SENSE, right?
Unfortunately not common enough.
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HerbM
- Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:57 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Poll to increase or relax background checks
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2543
Poll to increase or relax background checks
This poll doesn't require registration, and even though it is on a news page ADVOCATING more (useless) gun control the freedom lovers are trouncing them -- as your vote: http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/20 ...
Thanks!
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