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anygunanywhere wrote:

HerbM wrote: No one suggested "pulling a knife" nor certainly not letting them take it from you -- but as you and I both have it (I have two) they would end up with meeting the knives before I let the four gang bang me or my family.

When someone asks for critique and someone alse suggests a knife I make the connection that it is suggested for self defense. You have to pull the knife for self defense.

Anygunanywhere

Not really -- many times using a knife surrepticously, which isn't implied by "pull a knife", is the best method. Secreting the knife in your hand such that if you are grabbed the attacker is automatically cut has a range of uses.

One of the most difficult positions to "take away" a knife is the "reverse hold, lying along the forearm, blade out" method. The knife is largely hidden, and it is also quite a bit harder to cut your self (though not impossible) when using this method.

You only use it or show it once you are UNDER ATTACK -- at which point I am in fear of my life and getting cut with my own knife is the least of my worries.

anygunanywhere wrote:
I carry a really sharp knife all of the time.

If it was me, one agaisnt four, I doubt I would pull a knife that the four could take away from me and carve my carcass.

I stand by my post.

I would not have exited my vehicle if I saw four bangers exit a vehicle that just rear-ended me. I drive a Ford F250 Superduty diesel. Loaded down with my tools etc it goes almost 7000 lbs.

I use my truck as a weapon. I doubt a rice burning banger mobile and four bangers would handle the truck.

Herb, I have thought about these scenarios and in this one pulling a knife was not the answer. If it was for you great. Go for it. IMHO the knife suggestion was not the right one.

Anygunanywhere but probably not a knife.

I don't think anyone recommended exiting the vehicle, and it is good advice you give to avoid doing this (in most cases). Using the truck is good too.

No one suggested "pulling a knife" nor certainly not letting them take it from you -- but as you and I both have it (I have two) they would end up with meeting the knives before I let the four gang bang me or my family.

Although I would definitely be in fear of my life and great bodily harm, two knives (along with a wee bit of skill with them) and the pepper spray would likely make it an interesting fight, as long as they don't have firearms, if they insisted.

Knife techniques are worth some study. It is actually pretty difficult to even grab or punch a person who knows how to HOLD a knife.

anygunanywhere wrote:

austin wrote:Carry a folding knife.

A wise man once told me that you shouldn't bring anything to a fight you don't want to carry around like a rudder. I don't know how many times we have been urged to seek more firearms training because the CHL qualification is not enough.

Now we are told to pull a Spiderco against four hoods when all the training most of us have is slicing the Sunday roast or spreading PB&J?

Funny stuff.

Anygunanywhere

The original gentleman is contractually and legally forbidden to carry a firearm during various work hours or while driving on company business. He might also lose his job if he chose to violate these rules due were he to value his safety more.

What would you do if you (agreed that you) could not carry a firearm?

Knives and pepper spray may be relatively weak substitutes but they are pretty much the best he has available under these rules.

One of the reason I recommend and carry knives and pepper spray -- for those time when I cannot carry more legally, or for those who cannot or will not carry a firearm.

Also it is a really good idea to go to YouTube, search for "pepper spray" and watch about 10 videos. Some of the idiots who spray there friends and a few of the Marines doing their pepper spray drill (subject is sprayed, then runs a multi-station simulated fighting course.)

You can work through it but it is hard. This will show you what you can and cannot expect. And remember, if someone "holds their eyes open" you can spray them AGAIN.

Shoot until the threat goes away. (No matter what you shoot.)

+1 Knife
+1 Pepper spray

Pepper spray is FAR better than nothing. (But go check out the pepper spray thread where I have posted a lot of detail and the concerns over it have been expressed.)

It is far better than tear gas, but it is not a guarantee of safety. I do however give this to all my relatives who cannot carry a firearm (or who won't) and like it myself for an intermediate level of response.

You don't even have to spray someone to benefit -- retreat and lay down a barrier (I almost always buy and give FOG, nor spray.)

Glad you are safe.

Sounds like you did the best you could with what you had.

Will they let you have pepper spray?

Did you tell 911 you were facing an attack? They might have expedited if you had done so -- or called back and mentioned both the fight and the knife.

Sometimes you have to decide if the comfort of your life is worth you life. Hard decision at times; no one can make it for you of course.

I would be looking for another way, but that doesn't mean I would be DOING anything different than you are in your circumstances -- but I would be looking and scheming.