TexasCHLforum.com

jeeperbryan wrote:...I think most people would freak out to see a gun. Especially down in Austin :)...

Admittedly, this would be one of the additional benefits.

This is part of the political enlightment and consciousness raising that needs to be opened up -- right now most people probably don't even know they can carry a firearm legally.

This is the main reason that I personally would do this -- It needs doing. We really need the sheep to pull the wool off their eyes.

It is time to un-demonize the firearm and that isn't going to happen with them all hidden.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

HerbM wrote:This is just not a problem anywhere that you can point to and say see -- it is just speculation and the same junk argument as the Brady Bunch folks use.

Don't scare the sheeple

Give me the name of a state that has recently approved open-carry after 125 years of prohibiting it. Speculation? Are you not speculating that open-carry wouldn't be a problem.

BTW, I've just about had it with your insults by calling anyone who disagrees with you anti-gun or "Brady Bunch folks."

Chas.

I didn't "call you" or anyone anything (see above), but if you use the arguments of the gun ban organizations like Brady then you might want to rethink that.

No gun control can we shown to work -- none. I don't much like gun control and hope you don't either.

You are however arguing for gun control when none if can be shown to work, so please don't use their arguments. Here is what you will have to refute if you wish to use facts and logic:

None of the CDC, the National Academy of Sciences, nor DoJ were able to find that ANY gun control reduces VIOLENT CRIME, MURDER, SUICIDE or ACCIDENTS in any significant manner. NONE.

Don B. Kates and Gary A. Mauser, "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence" (June 6, 2006). ExpressO Preprint Series. Working Paper 1413.
http://law.bepress.com/expresso/eps/1413
http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent. ... t=expresso
<<In this connection two recent studies are pertinent. In 2004 the U.S. National Academy of
Sciences released its evaluation from an review of 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government
publications and some empirical research of its own. It could not identify any gun control that had
reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.(15) The same conclusion was reached in a 2003
study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control’s review of then-extant studies"(16)

(15) Charles F. Wellford, John V. Pepper, and Carol V. Petrie (eds.),
FIREARMS AND VIOLENCE: A CRITICAL REVIEW
(National Academy of Sciences, 2004). It is perhaps not amiss to note that the review panel,
which was set up during the Clinton Administration, was almost entirely composed of scholars who, to the extent
their views were publicly known before their appointments, favored gun control.
(16) “First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws� (CDC,
2003) <http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm>
>>

This is just not a problem anywhere that you can point to and say see -- it is just speculation and the same junk argument as the Brady Bunch folks use.

Don't scare the sheeple

Pinkycatcher wrote:Kind of a big jump from the 3000 that started when you posted, to the news reports now up to nearly 7000

Maybe it will help -- we can all (who care a lot) write and call our congress people too.

The publicity it is generating is worth this simple effort.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to sign and continues to find others to do so.

Jason73 wrote:Signature added, also got my dad, mom, wife, brother, sister in law, and 4 co-workers to sign :D

Excellent -- if everyone would just find 2 (or more) people to educate on the subject that would be a big deal, even better if you can get those 2 to educate 2 more etc.

Perhaps online petitions are not as useful as we would like, or at least perhaps this was true in the past. And it is certainly true that we don't want to stop after only doing one thing -- but need to continue to call our representatives, fax, email and even show up in their offices.

All this is fine for those of us who feel especially strongly about some issue -- for those who support the idea but do not wish to do more, it is still helpful to make their feelings known publicly.

We know this because it has an effect:

Thousands sign petition to make Texas an open-carry state By ANNA M. TINSLEY
atinsley@star-telegram.com
Fort Worth Star-Telegram Mon, Jun. 23, 2008
http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/715977.html

Do what you can -- do all that you can.

Thanks you all for signing.

The key is that whether we wish OC ourselves or not, we want everyone to have the RIGHT to make the CHOICE, just like we do with a CHL.

Fewer gun laws are a good thing as none of them can be shown to work in reducing any of violent crime, murder, suicide, nor accidents.

Please sign the Texas Open Carry Petition
http://www.petitiononline.com/texasoc/petition.html

Whether you wish to OC or not, petition to allow law-abiding
Texans the choice.

If you want to discuss or argue about Open Carry itself the best place is likely on the OpenCarry.org forums http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/

...either the Texas specific sub ear or the general areas for discussing how, why, when, where, what happened etc.

People there are friendly and much like the typical folks here. Good people.