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jnichols2 wrote:I see things in this thread that speak to our "changed" society and concern me greatly.

The poll came out 63% to 38% in favor of property rights. But; the comments seem to tell the opposite. Or is the 38% just that vocal?

The feeling that a private property owner that chooses to start a business that deals with the public loses what property rights he had seems particularly strong. And this is coming from a forum dedicated to folks that chose to arm themselves in order to protect said rights.

I read the entire thread, and made what I thought were appropriate comments. At times, I really felt like I was at a Occupy Wall Street convention.

On the other side, one "landlord" advocates inventing a crisis in order to deprive a renter of his/her tenant rights.

Our current president stated he wanted to "fundamentally change America", I fear greatly that he has succeeded.

A-R wrote:

Keith B wrote:

A-R wrote:This is a compelling argument I hadn't considered. I think it was WildBill above who mentioned something about not banning someone who believes in RKBA but ok to ban the actual gun. Interesting thought exercise is to ask if not OK to ban Muslims but OK to ban men wearing turbans?

Unfortunately still invalid as the turban is part of their religious clothing and would be protected.

I would liken the example to the 1st amendment. You have the right to free speech, and without previous reason I can't ban you physically from my store. However, I can prohibit what you say in my store and have the right to ban profanity if I so choose.

And - I think - that may be all that we (those who don't like publicly accessible businesses posting 30.06) are really asking for ... the ability to enter and utilize said businesses UNLESS we do something that creates a nuisance.

I go back-n-forth on this one a lot, but I always come back to why can a "public accommodation" (short for a business open to the general public) ban an otherwise law-abiding person who is creating no problem other than a tool you don't even realize he has under his clothing?

The pre-emptive nature of 30.06 is what bothers so many. It's like saying you can't walk into my store with your mouth because your mouth has the potential to say something I don't want it to say.

Sorta reminds me of this ol' joke:

One morning the husband returns after several hours of fishing and decides to take a nap. Although not familiar with the lake, the wife decides to take the boat out. She motors out a short distance, anchors, and reads her book.

Along comes a game warden in his boat. He pulls up alongside the woman and says, "Good morning Ma'am. What are you doing?"

Woman Joke Reading in Boat - Funny Clean Joke"Reading a book," she replies, (thinking, "Isn't that obvious?")

"You're in a restricted fishing area," he informs her.

"I'm sorry officer, but I'm not fishing, I'm reading."

"Yes, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could start at any moment. I'll have to take you in and write you up."

"If you do that, I'll have to charge you with sexual assault," says the woman.

"But I haven't even touched you," says the game warden.

"That's true, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could start at any moment."

"Have a nice day ma'am," and he left.