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Soccerdad1995 wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:Nothing will "legally" prevent a student or faculty member from carrying either in the absence of 30.06 compliant notice...However the probability of expulsion or termination of employment certainly exists, with the exception of firearms in vehicles in the parking areas and streets.

Our staff and students were told "no firearms allowed on university property" during the start of the year meeting in August. They all received legal verbal notice that day.

Sounds like another reason to skip any non-critical meetings. If the University had sign-in sheets, they would also be able to prove who was there. That's assuming of course that no one was able to take a bathroom break at any point during the meeting.

At least they didn't prohibit carry in vehicles (which are not University owned property).

ScottDLS wrote:Nothing will "legally" prevent a student or faculty member from carrying either in the absence of 30.06 compliant notice...However the probability of expulsion or termination of employment certainly exists, with the exception of firearms in vehicles in the parking areas and streets.

thetexan wrote:

mloamiller wrote:If I'm understanding this correctly, all the "opt out" clause for a private university does is allow them to essentially post the entire campus as off limits, which public colleges can't do. Public colleges can post certain locations, but are specifically barred from prohibiting carry on the entire campus (411.2031).

In both cases, they still have to post the valid 30.06 signage for any prohibition to have any legal impact.

That is what distinguishes a private or independent school from others. Others may make 'reasonable' rules regarding prohibitions on campus and can not make broad stroke generalized prohibitions. Private institutions are not held to this same "reasonable rule" standard and may completely opt out entirely and generally. Once they have then made that decision their next problem is to inform the world using 30.06. And it is a problem. How does a large campus school give proper 30.06 notice that encompasses an entire campus complex (if that is what they intend to do). Answer...the same way a huge mall would do it.

Assuming signage is the preferred method, they must meet the 30.06 standards...

the signs must be compliant as to design

the signs must be conspicuously posted....(my definition of conspicuous taken from 30.05 and modified is...."a sign or signs posted in such a way that they are reasonably likely to come to the attention of the persons for which the message thereon is intended.'

the signs must be clearly visible to the public

My university, for example, is, I guess, relying on osmosis to get the word out. They have no signs but claim they have opted out. That's peachy. 30.06 says nothing about osmosis.

So a big campus would need a lot of clearly and publicly visible signs located in enough places and such a way that they would be reasonably likely to come to the attention of anyone trying to enter onto the campus with a concealed gun.

tex

cclacy wrote:According to a recent Texas Firearms Coalition podcast by Charles Cotton "Where Can I Take My Gun", one can NOT carry on one's person outside on the grounds of a private University that has opted out of Campus Carry. Such campuses must post 30.06 on their website. I'm not sure of signage requirements at outside road entrances on the property. This was actually news to me. If I'm misinterpreting this from the podcast or from Rice's website, please show me where I'm wrong because I'd love to be.

https://professor.rice.edu/uploadedFile ... -Final.pdf