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- Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:26 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: walmart asking for chl
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Local news had a story over Walmart checking licenses per TABC. The also mentioned they don't allow open carry of long guns either.
- Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:37 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: walmart asking for chl
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You have limited rights on private property. You do not have the 1A right to go into Walmart with a sign saying "Walmart sucks" and then claim your right to free speech when told to leave. You can protest on the public sidewalk beside Walmart but not on the property itself after being told to leave.JP171 wrote:no because that is within their right as it is also in banking agreements, but if its none of their business its none of their business period their desire doesn't matter same as I have the right to lie my tail off to anyone that asks me anything with the exception of a cop investigating a crime or accident. the LTC didn't come with an agreement to display it to and tom dick and harry that wants to see itOldgringo wrote:If you're writing a check for your purchase, they'll likely ask for ID. Are you gonna' tell them that's a secret too?JP171 wrote:to OG and yourself, I don't open carry at all, however if they ask to see my license because they may think I have a weapon I have the right to tell them no, they can certainly tell me I can't go into the store, fine, I will leave but a private citizen demanding my papers is going to be dealt with the same as anyone violating my rights periodjed wrote:You sir, are why there's an increased number of 30.06 signs appearing.JP171 wrote:my answer is no you can't see it, if I have to leave so be it but your not seeing anything you don't have a legal right or requirement to see so (explative)Oldgringo wrote:Judging from some of the acrimonious and sometimes combative posts of late, I would not mind if every OC got asked to show his/her license. You never know otherwise, eh?![]()
Why can't you just be happy you can now open carry?
- Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:41 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: walmart asking for chl
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Big difference from LEOs to employees of a private entity. I'll give you a true story.MeMelYup wrote:I will play the villain here. Why does WalMart have the right to ask if a person has a LTC? They have invited the general public into their store to sell them stuff and make a profit. That does not give them the right to ask for personnel information unless I am doing something that requires that information or something illegal. Unless I am doing something that requires personal information or comiting a crime, they have no reason to stop me or ask for personal info. Does the police have the right to stop a person for no reason and ask for ID?mojo84 wrote:Your "right" or privilege comes with conditions in this instance. They do not have to allow you in their store. If you refuse to show your chl to confirm you have one, they can terminate your "tight" or privilege to be there. They have a vested interest in confirming you have a chl if you are going to open carry.winters wrote:ScottDLS wrote:I guess they could say if you don't show it to them, you have to leave. In my opinion better than posting 30.07. Also another reason why I probably won't OC at WalMart. They don't have any right to "demand" it from you, but you don't have a "right" to be in their store either.
This still has nothing to do with cops stopping people on the street.
I work for a private university as a LEO. We had a student pull a firearm and threaten another student over a parking spot. After I arrested the student for deadly conduct the director of students came over to ask some questions. My arrestee stated that other students in his sorority house had items just as drugs and weapons. I as a LEO have to get a warrant in order to search the house even though the house and property were owned by the university because they have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" in the house.
I was not going to risk asking for consent to search and they refuse then clean house before I get my warrant. So the director and the university attorney got together that evening searched the house. They did not ask the students for permission they just did it. I could not search without a warrant but they could.