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by nightmare69
Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:57 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OC police training pdf file.
Replies: 33
Views: 5137

Re: OC police training pdf file.

C-dub wrote:
locke_n_load wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:
Keith B wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:
I noticed it says one can carry in an amusement parks as long as it's not posted. Good catch.
And that is correct.
It's been a long day, love working the holidays. So a LTC holder can carry in Six Flags as long as it's not posted? I though amusement parks were off limits just like race tracks and professional sporting events. They don't have to be posted.
Correct. Same goes for hospitals and churches.
See 46.035, after all the text for the afforementioned places, you will see:
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.
The same does go for churches, but this pdf doesn't say that. It also says that a CHL/LTC cannot carry concealed on the campus of an institution of higher education without distinguishing between in buildings or just walking around outside of them. That's a big difference and huge error IMO that may cause someone a huge problem. It has this in the text and the chart format.
The updated version corrects this.
by nightmare69
Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:18 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OC police training pdf file.
Replies: 33
Views: 5137

Re: OC police training pdf file.

TXhntr88 wrote:Here's a link to an updated paper dated December 22, 2015

http://www.tml.org/p/Dec%202015%20QA%20 ... INIONS.pdf
Thanks for sharing the updated version. I like how they incorporated the AG's opinion. I will be definitely handing this to my Chief.

Now that everyone has had time read over it, do most agree with it?
by nightmare69
Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:53 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OC police training pdf file.
Replies: 33
Views: 5137

Re: OC police training pdf file.

Keith B wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:
I noticed it says one can carry in an amusement parks as long as it's not posted. Good catch.
And that is correct.
It's been a long day, love working the holidays. So a LTC holder can carry in Six Flags as long as it's not posted? I though amusement parks were off limits just like race tracks and professional sporting events. They don't have to be posted.
by nightmare69
Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:34 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OC police training pdf file.
Replies: 33
Views: 5137

Re: OC police training pdf file.

rotor wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:
rotor wrote:There is an updated one listed as Oct.2015 with fewer errors but it is too large for me to attach here.
What errors?

Don't know all of them which is why there is a newer version. Look in the back about hospital and nursing home carry if you have a CHL. This says not allowed. Law says needs a 30.06. Oct 2015 version has not corrected this one yet. All of this is complicated and easy to make errors with. It is a very good document though.
I noticed it says one can carry in an amusement parks as long as it's not posted. Good catch.
by nightmare69
Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:20 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OC police training pdf file.
Replies: 33
Views: 5137

Re: OC police training pdf file.

Papa_Tiger wrote:Hmm... Interesting that the question on page 14 "What federal law governs a police officer’s authority to question a person who is legally carrying a firearm?" discusses when an officer can legally question/detain someone is completely undermined by a very dishonest reading of the law in the question on page 15 "Are there specific rules relating to whether a police officer can question or disarm a person who is openly carrying a holstered handgun in public?"

The disarming portion of it, I understand (IMO it should be rare that an officer feels the NEED to disarm a license holder "is necessary for the protection of the license holder, officer, or another individual"). The previous entry discussion of PC 411.205 is a completely dishonest interpretation of the law that was PRESCRIPTIVE for how an encounter with an officer when legally detained and required to provide ID should play out. PC 411.205 in no way grants authority to the officer to demand the ID in the first place.

It seems based on the way this is being presented is that the trainers are glossing over the first question and then dishonestly and intentionally misinterpreting PC 411.205 to give authority where no authority is granted by the law.

If this is so, I'm EXTREMELY disappointed by the way this training is being presented to officers and hope that it is quickly fixed in the next legislative session.
I may not be following you. The way I understood your concern durning training was, if a LEO decides to disarm the LTC holder then he has already established good probable cause to detain the individual and demand he produce his permit to carry. The LEO has performed a Terry Stop and decided to disarm the individual for officer safety.
by nightmare69
Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:11 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OC police training pdf file.
Replies: 33
Views: 5137

Re: OC police training pdf file.

rotor wrote:There is an updated one listed as Oct.2015 with fewer errors but it is too large for me to attach here.
What errors?
by nightmare69
Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:49 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OC police training pdf file.
Replies: 33
Views: 5137

Re: OC police training pdf file.

Thanks, Keith. This training was really easy to understand. Let's face it, if TML writes it where cops can understand it, then anyone can.
by nightmare69
Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:31 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OC police training pdf file.
Replies: 33
Views: 5137

Re: OC police training pdf file.

I want an mod or admin to send it too so they may upload it on the site so I don't have to email everyone. I'm getting a bunch of PMs of members email but unfortunately the only Internet I have is my phone with limited data. I've sent it to a few but I cannot anymore unless you are a mod or admin.
by nightmare69
Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:46 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OC police training pdf file.
Replies: 33
Views: 5137

OC police training pdf file.

I have a 16 page pdf file that was used a couple of months ago when I took my required TCOLE legal update. This portion was over firearms and mostly open carry. It's goes into good easy to follow detail explaining the authority of a peace officer when it comes to OC. I would like to make this available to members here so if moderator could PM me an email I will sent it your way. This training answers a lot of questions regarding OC you see daily on the forum.

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