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jmra wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:If everyone feels that strongly about the issue then may I ask what are you doing about it? Are you raising awareness to the right people or writing lawmakers to address your concerns? Or do you just enjoy the debate and won't bother taking it past a forum or Facebook?

I always hear good debates online but it seems people could careless about taking the fight to the right people who can do something about it.

Perhaps I will suggest that the constitution should be taught at the police academy.

If you only knew how deep we go into the consistution and the tons of Supreme Court cases that pertain to LE that we had to memorize. You have absolutely no idea what is and is not taught at the academy.

If everyone feels that strongly about the issue then may I ask what are you doing about it? Are you raising awareness to the right people or writing lawmakers to address your concerns? Or do you just enjoy the debate and won't bother taking it past a forum or Facebook?

I always hear good debates online but it seems people could careless about taking the fight to the right people who can do something about it.

Officer safety is a huge issue. It's why Terry v Ohio allows officers to frisk a person for officer safety even though there is no probable cause to arrest the person frisked.

Warren v District of Columba says officers have no legal duty to protect the public. Now I would hope all LEOs would put the public first and do whatever is nessisary to protect the citizens.

Never heard of officer safety? We will have to agree to disagree, if you don't like no knock warrants then petition the lawmakers to outlaw them. Depts use them for a reason and will continue to do so whether you agree or not.

VMI77 wrote:

nightmare69 wrote:If I was going after a stash house with armed and violent felons I would want the element of surprise to rush in, get control of the suspects before they could get to their weapons. I would hate to have to knock and stand fast knowing they getting set up with their firearms pointed at the door waiting for you to enter. Who wants to be the first to go in?

What's that have to do with the case in question? In any case, really, how many drug dealers shoot it out with the police? I somehow doubt that most of them are "heroic" criminals ready to die in a volley of police gun fire. And come on, if this is some stash house with armed and violent felons, how would they not know they were about to be raided by the police? Wouldn't such dangerous criminals have surveillance cameras and people on watch? Anyone that would get into a gun battle with a SWAT team would be on guard and they'd be ready for the entry whether the police knocked or not.

Ones I've heard with our local swat they went no knock early in the morning and the suspects were still asleep. Beside them was loaded firearms, if they would have knocked and waited that would have given them the time needed to set up a defense at the door or baracde themselves in.

If no knocks warrants were as bad as everyone makes them out to be then why are deptments all over the US still using them? In the right situations they are very effective and that's why depts use them. Sometimes things go wrong but I would rather have the element of surprise rather than knock and wait for someone to decide to run out a window or stand and fight. Our local DEA use no knocks on 80% ( word of mouth by a local agent) of the warrants they execute for a reason, they work and provide the least amount of risk for officers. If anyone has any studies suggesting otherwise or someone who has executed warrants on dangerous suspects I'm all ears. Until then, I'm more inclined to listen to those who make a living doing such.

If I was going after a stash house with armed and violent felons I would want the element of surprise to rush in, get control of the suspects before they could get to their weapons. I would hate to have to knock and stand fast knowing they getting set up with their firearms pointed at the door waiting for you to enter. Who wants to be the first to go in?

Once the police cross a threshold they identify themselves. For many deptments this applies to every room of the house.