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bigcarl64 wrote:Probable cause is a justification for anything now it seems. We have 4-legged judges on leashes that are used to justify warrantless searches. As someone who works in IT and knows relatives that work in law enforcement IT, I speak from experience that anytime a request is run for any number, DL, insurance, weapon serial number, it is logged permanently into a database. That database is then used when any future contact is made with the individual, and can easily be mined by authorities in the future. Well, not can be, but will be. Once the serial number is ran, it is logged forever in the database. You are now forever connected with that weapon.

You are talking about NCIC correct? If so LEO's have to have PC to run a person through it. LEO's can be charged with a 2nd degree felony running someone for some form of payment. The feds take NCIC very serious, I know of an officer who was also a landlord who lost his job and did some time in jail for running people backgrounds before he would rent them a house. I have limited access to NCIC and to be honest Im scared to death to even try to log on.

As far as the LEO knowing if you are a CHL holder or not during a traffic stop, the dispatcher informs the LEO of the plate owner of the vehicle has a CHL. 9 times out of 10 it is the same person as the driver. So they know before even exiting their vehicle.

Never seen an officer know if the person is a CHL holder or not until they run their DL. The computers cops have in their vehicles, (MDT's) some departments have an automated program that allows the officer to enter the license plate and all it tells is the registered owners name and vehicle description. Ive been with officers that ran the tag, pulled them over and the driver had a CHL, once he scanned the DL the program informed the officer that the driver did have a valid CHL.

TomsTXCHL wrote:

TomsTXCHL wrote:As a practical matter, I never (EVER) would hand my loaded weapon to anyone (except I suppose if we're side-by-side on the range shooting the thing, though I've never done THAT either).

So if I am asked to produce my CCW, and it is in e.g. a pocket holster, cocked & locked, am I expected to hand it over as-is?

Did I miss it, or is the answer to this question absolutely "hand it over as-is"...?

Any LEO here who can respond?

The last thing an LEO wants is you to put your hands on the weapon. If they want to disarm you, they will remove the weapon.

JP171 wrote:

dac1842 wrote:An officer that exercises his lawful authority needs no further burden to run your serial number.
If you have been stopped, probable cause has been established. Even prior to CHL, an officer had the legal right to a warrant less search of any part of your car within reach of the driver. If the officer found a weapon, he needed no further authority to run the serial number.

SR beat me to it, but I leave my post
an officer does NOT have legal authority to search your vehicle unless there is probable cause and a traffic stop has been ruled by SCOTUS as NOT being grounds to search a vehicle in ANY form, he may search you but not your vehicle he may NOT search your phone either. so the part about being in reach of the driver is WRONG in any form/case or fantasy. if you are carrying a weapon legally that does NOT give probable cause to run the serial number anymore than it gives him the right to run your cell phone serial number nor to look just to see whats on it, nor are they allowed to use that little phone device to read the contents. He does need probable cause to run the SN of any item you are carrying and any item he may see in your vehicle. look it up

Arizona v Gant allows warrentless searches under certain circumstances for officer safety of unlocked compartments within the wingspan of the driver.

An officer may seize a cellphone without a warrent due to extigent circumstances but must get a warrent to view or search it's content.

I seriously doubt a CHL holder would be carrying a stolen gun. I know I would feel at ease around a armed CHL holder as do most LEOs that I've asked.

Unless the LEO has reasonable suspicion to believe that the firearm may be stolen then they should not run the serial numbers.