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by louisf1
Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:04 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Discharged "under honorable conditions" = not "honorably"
Replies: 193
Views: 49570

Re: Discharged "under honorable conditions" = not "honorably

loren wrote:FINAL UPDATE:
The policy for determining if a veteran with a General Discharge, under honorable conditions was "honorably discharged" and is eligible for the CHL veteran's fee discount has been CORRECTED: Yes, they were honorably discharged and are eligible. The Texas CHL law has not changed, only the interpretation. And the funny thing is that the eligibility was correct a few years ago but then changed to exclude General under honorable conditions because they were getting so many veteran applications. Could the reason for the change be fewer discounts / increased revenue? Thanks to Texas Senator Campbell, chairperson of the Veterans Affairs Committee, and her aid for getting this corrected.

To review, when I started this topic the question was never about the differences between Honorable and General discharges but what did the law makers mean when they used the term "honorably discharged" for CHL's veterans fee. According to the American Legion and the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, General, under honorable conditions IS considered honorable discharged. Of course the Texas law makers could define the term differently but they didn't, so it made no sense for the CHL licensing folks to do it. Also, DPS refers to veterans discharged under honorable conditions as honorably discharged for adding the word "veteran" on their driver's license. So why the inconsistency?



I spoke over the weekend with a 2-star retired AF general about the meaning of "honorably discharged". Like me, he could not understand why one would not include General, under honorable conditions. I asked him why he thought that and he said "well the word honorable is there isn't it?"

The question now is: should veterans that should have been eligible for the CHL veterans fee but were denied because of having a General Discharge, under honorable conditions, be reimbursed?



Personally I think you're just setting yourself up for more disappointment. The overwhelming majority believe that a general discharge is regarded as lower than honorable. Therefore I believe most will agree that a discount is not really called for let alone a refund.
by louisf1
Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:44 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Discharged "under honorable conditions" = not "honorably"
Replies: 193
Views: 49570

Re: Discharged "under honorable conditions" = not "honorably

Like Bald Eagle said, a General Discharge is not the same as an Honorable Discharge. Otherwise there would not be two classifications. While you were able to use the Gi Bill there are going to be some places where you don't get the full benefit. Maybe you can look into having the discharge upgraded.
by louisf1
Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:02 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Discharged "under honorable conditions" = not "honorably"
Replies: 193
Views: 49570

Re: Discharged "under honorable conditions" = not "honorably

Loren, a general discharge, otherwise known as under honorable conditions is normally given for a reason. In other words the character of service had something in it that caused it to not be a straight honorable discharge. The law states that you need to have an honorable discharge which is actually higher standing than under honorable. Hence the reason for not receiving the discount. Here is some info I found on the fort hood website to help a bit.


"In contrast, a “General, Under Honorable Conditions” Discharge (commonly referred to as a General Discharge) is for service members whose service was satisfactory, but involved situations where the Soldier’s conduct and/or performance of duty were not so meritorious to warrant an Honorable Discharge. Recipients of General Discharges usually have engaged in minor misconduct or have received nonjudicial punishment under Article 15, UCMJ. While the “under honorable conditions” terminology is slightly confusing, there is a clear disadvantage to receiving a General Discharge in contrast to an Honorable Discharge. While recipients of a General Discharge will receive entitlement to benefits such as VA medical and dental services, VA home loans and burial in national cemeteries, they will not receive educational benefits under either the Montgomery or Post-9/11 GI Bill"

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