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KRM45 wrote:I went back to the Academy today and bought the Ruger P97.

I bougt this gun to use at the range only, and for experimenting with my reloaded ammo. I've only been reloading for a while, and I've heard enough stories about possible damage to your firearm from improperly reloaded amo that I wanted a cheap .45 to experiment with. I figured a Ruger in .45 ACP for $318 was just what I needed.

i don't think you have to worry about blowing up a ruger. i had a P90 and it was built like an 18th century boat anchor. i'm going to have to get another one of these days.

txinvestigator wrote:
20 years ago under rigorous military testing a few EARLY models had slide problems. They fixed it, big deal.

yea, they're so unreliable.



May 15, 2006

BERETTA 9mm PISTOLS PASS SEVEN CONSECUTIVE MILITARY TESTS WITH RECORD PERFORMANCE

Deliveries ahead of schedule on contracts for over 34,000 pistols to U.S. Military

Accokeek, Md. - Beretta USA has passed a seventh consecutive military test for delivery of the Beretta 9mm Model 92FS pistols to the U.S. Army (military designated M9).

In late 2005, the U.S. Army, on its own behalf and on behalf of other branches of the Armed Forces, such as the U.S. Air Force, placed contracts with Beretta U.S.A. to buy new Beretta 9mm 92FS pistols and parts. These contracts also allow the U.S. Military the option to buy up to a total of 70,000 92FS/M9 pistols through 2010. Formal testing of the newly ordered pistols began in early 2006.

"The results of the new tests are outstanding," noted E. Scott Blackwell, Beretta U.S.A.'s Division Manager - Manufacturing & Vice President, Law Enforcement/Defense Group. "When Beretta pistols were ordered by the Armed Forces throughout the late 1980s and early 1990s, they averaged one malfunction in every 17,500 rounds fired, which was believed at the time to be a world record for reliability in a semiautomatic pistol. These new pistols, which are mostly comprised of standard, off-the-shelf parts, are breaking that record. During government witnessed testing of these new pistols, we have averaged only one malfunction every 21,000 rounds fired."

Beretta USA has been continuously manufacturing the 92FS/M9 pistols since 1988 at its U.S. headquarters in Accokeek, Maryland. “All 325 employees here in our Maryland facility where the pistols are manufactured, assembled and tested, are proud to continue to provide this sidearm to our American military personnel� stated Blackwell.

The US made 92FS/M9 pistol has been purchased and deployed worldwide by thousands of law enforcement and military agencies and services worldwide, including most recently the Iraqi Ministry of Defense, Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department and, in its advanced M9A1 configuration with integral light rail and, enhanced tactical features, the US Marine Corps.

cxm wrote:
Given that you can buy a new S&W M&P in either 9mm or .40 fro $419, with a lifetime warranty I can't see why anyone would buy a Beretta in either cal.

i would wipe my butt with $419 before i'd spend it on a smith m&p.

and when you can get a beretta PX4 for $399 and have no use for a warranty, there's hardly a reason to waste it on a smith.

lrb111 wrote: We picked up the Taurus 92AF at Acadamy for $368. It's made to the Baretta specs. It does come with the accessory rail, and three position safety/decocker
It came with two 17 round mags. (1 in the pipe makes 35 rounds ready.)

sure they WERE made to beretta specs, 1970s beretta specs. beretta sold the molds to taurus when the brazilian contracts ran out. that's it. i've handled taurus', the quality isn't in the ball park with a beretta. not that they're bad guns by any means, but it's not a good comparison because they've morphed into different weapons than what they once were.