Is the part I highlighted a reference to Jim Cirillo and the Stakeout Squad?Rob72 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:35 amWell, yes, a Tac-13 (semi-auto) with a good red dot optic, and a shoulderable brace, with 1oz. Brennekes, while seated in the balcony would be just about optimal.retrieverman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:20 pm I’ve watched the unedited video about 50 times to try to learn from this situation, and I’ve concluded I need to re-evaluate what and how I carry at church.Unfortunately, we don't generally get to pick the how and when.
In the early 70s, 7-11s in NYC were installing catwalks, and NYPD officers were stationed in them. Once a robber appeared with a drawn weapon, he received a load of 00. This was deemed too inhumane, fatalities were right about 100%. It did, however, decrease convenience store robberies.
I agree with TAM, evaluate how you carry, but above all, train hard. Push your limits, physically, verbally, and tactically. Any "tool" will suffice, but some are inherently more appropriate than others.
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- Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:46 am
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Re: Church shooting in Tarrant County - White Settlement
- Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:08 pm
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Re: Church shooting in Tarrant County - White Settlement
I've been given the impression that unless the assailant already has a weapon out, perhaps even in use, that an attempt at de-escalation is just about a must to avoid being brought up on charges by a prosecutor. "Why didn't someone just try to talk him down, they didn't have to just go and shoot him like that", or some other statement to that effect will be made. Self-defense laws pretty much seem to have a "react" clause built into them, since most of us cannot articulate things the way someone with legal system training can. Please note, I'm not advocating for anything, just making an observation that the laws are written in a manner that puts the armed citizen at a disadvantage against violent assailants.Rob72 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:41 am Correia's comments are spot on. Other notes: appendix carry will ALWAYS work better in seated/confined positions. It is also much easier to draw unobtrusively. The deceased congregant believed a verbal de-escalation would resolve the issue. He firmly believed that. He did not believe it would be violent. Every LEOKA report has noted that LEs killed/assaulted in the line of duty underestimated the situation, either regarding the motivation/drive of the offender, or the "risk" that the offender perceived in the exchange. EVERYONE was waiting for verbal resolution.
Not faulting anyone, but with that many people around, there was no reason for at least one team member to covertly have a weapon out. If the more experienced folks thought that doing so might cause another team member to attempt to draw, and escalate the situation, that would be a training issue.