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Ameer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:20 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:46 pm

WildRose wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:01 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:35 am

WildRose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:26 pm

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:10 pm Tid Bit I learned today, my son works for a firearm distributor so I ask him about the ability of ATF to find somebody who had purchased a Bump Stock, he said it would be virtually impossible!
I find that interesting!

Shipping records and credit card receipts will create a direct line to most purchasers.

If they don't already have warrants for all the records of the producers and distributors you know they will ASAP.

Your theory sounds quite plausible. However, as I stated before, where are the resources in people and money to accomplish that goal?

ATF, FBI, State, and Local PD's.

In all likelihood they'll start with letters informing purchasers they now own an illegal device and advise them on how to lawfully dispose of them.

I don't imagine door to door raids anytime soon.

So, are you suggesting that DPS and Texas county sheriffs are going to actively aid the ATF in the task of gathering up bumpstocks, and arresting those who possess them? Somehow, I don't think that is going to be a very popular position, though I can imagine that a couple of large city PDs in this state will be directed to arrest anyone caught with a bumpstock in their jurisdictions, solely based on the political affiliations of their Chiefs.

Why wouldn't they help enforce the NRA-backed rule change?

Jason Todd wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:17 am

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:31 am Wow, are you sure all you folks actually live in Texas? Some of those comments almost makes me want to move across the Red and live with them danged Okies!

I hear they let people keep and bear handguns without a license.

WildRose wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:20 am

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:46 pm

WildRose wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:01 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:35 am

WildRose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:26 pm

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:10 pm Tid Bit I learned today, my son works for a firearm distributor so I ask him about the ability of ATF to find somebody who had purchased a Bump Stock, he said it would be virtually impossible!
I find that interesting!

Shipping records and credit card receipts will create a direct line to most purchasers.

If they don't already have warrants for all the records of the producers and distributors you know they will ASAP.

Your theory sounds quite plausible. However, as I stated before, where are the resources in people and money to accomplish that goal?

ATF, FBI, State, and Local PD's.

In all likelihood they'll start with letters informing purchasers they now own an illegal device and advise them on how to lawfully dispose of them.

I don't imagine door to door raids anytime soon.

So, are you suggesting that DPS and Texas county sheriffs are going to actively aid the ATF in the task of gathering up bumpstocks, and arresting those who possess them? Somehow, I don't think that is going to be a very popular position, though I can imagine that a couple of large city PDs in this state will be directed to arrest anyone caught with a bumpstock in their jurisdictions, solely based on the political affiliations of their Chiefs.

They won't have much choice since unlawful possession of any NFA restricted item is also unlawful under Texas law.

As I said though; I don't imagine door to door raids anytime soon.

WildRose wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:01 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:35 am

WildRose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:26 pm

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:10 pm Tid Bit I learned today, my son works for a firearm distributor so I ask him about the ability of ATF to find somebody who had purchased a Bump Stock, he said it would be virtually impossible!
I find that interesting!

Shipping records and credit card receipts will create a direct line to most purchasers.

If they don't already have warrants for all the records of the producers and distributors you know they will ASAP.

Your theory sounds quite plausible. However, as I stated before, where are the resources in people and money to accomplish that goal?

ATF, FBI, State, and Local PD's.

In all likelihood they'll start with letters informing purchasers they now own an illegal device and advise them on how to lawfully dispose of them.

I don't imagine door to door raids anytime soon.

WildRose wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:26 pm

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:10 pm Tid Bit I learned today, my son works for a firearm distributor so I ask him about the ability of ATF to find somebody who had purchased a Bump Stock, he said it would be virtually impossible!
I find that interesting!

Shipping records and credit card receipts will create a direct line to most purchasers.

If they don't already have warrants for all the records of the producers and distributors you know they will ASAP.

srothstein wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:30 pm

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:47 pm The goverment cannot force you to destroy your own property without due compensation.

Yes, they can. And I am answering in a legal fashion, not as some others have posted about realistic based on might.

This is one of the greatest misunderstandings of the law. Most people think the Fifth Amendment stops the government from seizing your property without compensation. But you will note that it actually says the property cannot be taken FOR PUBLIC USE without compensation. A confiscation of this type is not property taken for public use. The rest of the amendment says it cannot deprive you of property without due process of law, but the argument would be that the rule making was due process of law.

I believe that the ban would be legal under the Fifth Amendment.

There is only one way I can see that this ban is not legal. I see this as an illegal reinterpretation of the way Congress wrote the law and it does not meet the definitions in the law. But this has happened with other laws and been upheld. One example is the law that says health insurance companies cannot discriminate against people because of their activities (such as motorcycle or horse riding). The regulations written by HHS specifically allow insurance companies to not provide coverage for certain dangerous activities, exactly what the federal law was trying to stop. I have little faith that federal courts will not uphold this ban.

philip964 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:52 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:13 pm Okay, I want to ask a question: which law enforcement agencies in the State of Texas are going to set aside resources directed at enforcing the Federal bump stock ban? I'm not talking about if someone uses a bumpstock in an actual crime like assault with a deadly weapon, armed robbery, murder. No, I'm talking about resources being devoted to going out and finding bumpstocks, and turning the now-illegal owner of said bumpstock over to the Feds for prosecution. Which agencies?

Now, I live in proverbial "flyover country" where most of us fit the political definition of "deplorables". I'm at least reasonably certain that our small town police force and even smaller sheriff's department has enough normal duties on their plates to not be worrying about arresting "Jimmy Joe" because he was out blasting cans at the cattle tank on his family's property with a bump-stock equipped rifle.

As I stated earlier in this topic, a law without enforcement isn't much of a law at all.

(And, again, I do NOT own one of those things, I just don't care if others do, and I think the law is dumb.)

Probably all the President executive order did was:

Violated our rights.

It put out of business the companies that made them.

You won’t see them, if you ever did, at a local range.

If you House is searched by the police and you have one they will probably call the Feds.

If you have told someone you have one, and they ever hate you for any reason, they will call the feds.

A lot of law abiding citizens will now be criminals. They will also become liars and tell their shooting buddies, they cut it up as required by law.

There will be more ammunition for the rest of us.

Did it just make it illegal or can you still own one like owning a fully automatic rifle?

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:47 pm The goverment cannot force you to destroy your own property without due compensation.

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:26 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:18 pm (For the record, I never bought one because I can't afford the amount of ammo those things end up using having fun at the range, or out on the ranch, etc.) I want to ask a simple question: how will the Feds know if someone has a bump stock? Do the Feds have records of every person who bought one? Are they going to send armed agents out to collect them, "door-to-door"? Are the local PDs and Sheriff's departments going to send their officers out, with a mandate to go house-to-house, looking for bump stocks? I'm sorry if this sounds sarcastic, I don't mean it to in the least. This is a serious question. There are a LOT of laws in our nation, and state, and ordinances in our municipalities, and to be quite honest, a lot of them aren't being enforced very well. Lots of people have dangerous, illegal drugs. Lots of violent criminals are armed. Lots of illegal immigrants pour across our borders, despite the best efforts of dedicated law-enforcement agents and officers. Just because someone passes a law, doesn't mean they can effectively enforce it, no matter how badly they might want to.

Perhaps they understand that the most law abiding group that they have to deal with are us gun owners?