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by K.Mooneyham
Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:48 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Red Light Camera
Replies: 42
Views: 9575

Re: Red Light Camera

Chris wrote:
MechAg94 wrote:
K.Mooneyham wrote:I've read this entire thread, and still don't understand why that thing ticketed me for a right-hand turn when I wasn't speeding and it turned yellow on me just before I entered the turn, if the thing was set up as it has been described. If I had been mashing the pedal and blazed straight through an intersection and ran a red light, that would have been my fault (and I assure you I would have paid if that were the case). But it simply wasn't the case. I'm still irritated, and I'm also irritated by the "customer service" that I encountered.
Maybe because it doesn't work as advertised?

My problem with all the claims of the good the cameras do is that all those things can be fixed with better light timing among other things. However, that stuff cost money to do. Red light cameras are supposed to generate money.
Yellow light timing has very little to do with someone's decision to run a red light. You can roughly figure a second for every 10 miles per hour. I had an intersection with a four and a half second yellow and people ran the ever loving crap out of it. Our engineers would extend the timing before a light was even considered. It was a huge ordeal to get a camera setup. I could do it, it just took a lot of effort. The engineering problem is when you go through many towns and hit all green lights on the main thoroughfares, it's because of some highly complicated signal timing. You add a half a second of yellow, you've got to steal it from somewhere.

I can tell you with certainty though, that adding yellow time does virtually nothing to stop red light running. I've done the real live actual studies on intersections doing just that.

Having said that, I can't say it's not about money. For people like me and the engineers who are tasked with traffic, they don't want fatalities or serious accidents on roads they control. For city managers and directors I wish I could say the same.
With the highlighted text in mind, and IIRC that stretch of street was 35 MPH, it should have been about a 3.5 second yellow. I highly doubt it took me 3.5 seconds to make that turn. Not saying I disagree with your info, I'm sure you are correct..and that is what bugs me most about it.
by K.Mooneyham
Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:10 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Red Light Camera
Replies: 42
Views: 9575

Re: Red Light Camera

I've read this entire thread, and still don't understand why that thing ticketed me for a right-hand turn when I wasn't speeding and it turned yellow on me just before I entered the turn, if the thing was set up as it has been described. If I had been mashing the pedal and blazed straight through an intersection and ran a red light, that would have been my fault (and I assure you I would have paid if that were the case). But it simply wasn't the case. I'm still irritated, and I'm also irritated by the "customer service" that I encountered.
by K.Mooneyham
Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:02 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Red Light Camera
Replies: 42
Views: 9575

Re: Red Light Camera

Red light cameras are a scam, IMPO. The City of Dallas issued a red-light ticket to me. I was making a right-hand turn. The yellow was EXTREMELY short (it turned yellow as I entered the turn). I was NOT speeding, and had slowed even further so as to safely make my turn. The red light camera caught the very back of my truck as I completed the turn. I'm sorry, but human reaction time (minus race car drivers, perhaps) cannot compete with these computer-controlled lights. I attempted to dispute this ticket and they played a phone tag game with me and emails went unanswered. I guarantee that if an LEO had witnessed the exact same turn, they would NOT have thought anything unusual about it, nor ticketed me for it. Here is an older article (there are many out there) that talks about the shortening of yellows to increase city revenue.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/20/2068.asp

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