When I read the original stories, I heard the talk about them buying ammo to use against the citizens...then I read about them making contracts so they could allocate money to themselves, then cancel the contracts later but still have the budgeted money to spend on whatever...now it seems like a pretty good way to tie up manufacturing and raw material...and they can print whatever amount of money they want to cover the bill...copper is already expensive enough and is used not only in bullet jacketing, but to make the brass for cases, as well...giant orders of ammo, that may never get used, but simply left in storage in some ammo bunker somewhere sure does tie up a lot of resources...and drives prices up, to boot...geekwagun wrote:Let's not forget about the very large ammunition orders the DHS and other federal agencies have placed over the past year. Those contracts are going to be multi-year delivery deals. More here
Homeland Security hoarding ammo,depriving police Cops scramble for bullets while DHS stockpiles 1.2 billion rounds
Published: 8 hours ago
by Aaron Klein
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/feds-to-hold ... pEDylTA.99
More at linkWill the U.S. soon face a critical situation in which the federal government– primarily the Department of Homeland Security – possesses an ammunition surplus while local and state authorities face ammunition shortages and backlogs in purchasing more rounds?
Current trends could find the federal government with a strong ammunition advantage over local police and sheriff departments.
Earlier this week, a Georgia TV station reported that police officers training at the Chatham County Sheriff’s Office Gun Range were holding back on some live-range ammunition training due to shortage concerns.
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- Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:45 am
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- Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:41 pm
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And that is what I'm getting at...if multiple law enforcement agencies can't get ammo...jmra wrote:I guess they were being straight up. Very scary.K.Mooneyham wrote:http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-wi ... ges-policepbwalker wrote:jmra wrote: I've had LEOs try to buy ammo from me. They claim they don't have enough ammo on hand for the officers to qualify. Maybe that's just a line to gain empathy, I don't know. I do know they didn't talk me out of any.
that's scary...
- Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:37 pm
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http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-wi ... ges-policepbwalker wrote:jmra wrote: I've had LEOs try to buy ammo from me. They claim they don't have enough ammo on hand for the officers to qualify. Maybe that's just a line to gain empathy, I don't know. I do know they didn't talk me out of any.
that's scary...
- Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:51 pm
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Okay, that's cool, I figure some folks would get heads up about ammo shipments, but are you buying up thousands of rounds at a pop, though? I'm just trying to figure out where its all going. A lot of people may have bought ARs though those are getting hard to come by too, and not all of them or even most of them have time to spend all day waiting for shipments to come in, AND they don't have the money to buy it all up at one go. TENS OF MILLIONS of rounds have to be getting churned out right now, I'd imagine the ammo factories that make this stuff are all pretty much running three shifts (and if they aren't, well they sure are losing out on money to be made)...and yet the shelves are still bare no matter where you go...its just not adding up.pbwalker wrote:K.Mooneyham wrote:Well, SOMEBODY has bought a LOT of .223/5.56mm in the last month or so. I'm curious about something...has anyone on here been to a gun show RECENTLY (since the Sandy Hook incident)? Does it seem like vendors there have .223/5.56mm ammo for sale? I'm not asking about prices, just availability. I know that some are buying to put it away for a "rainy day", and I do have some for that purpose myself...and MANY people have bought ARs and other .223 rifles recently...but there was PLENTY of ammo and now there is VERY little...it had to have gone SOMEWHERE. Did the "resellers" buy up a substantial chunk of it...and I don't mean retailers, but rather the folks who resell at gunshows and at "Guns America", etc.
EDITED TO ADD: Thank you chasfm11 for the clarification.
Well, I can tell you that some "people" () have friends that work at Academy and get a heads up prior to the pallet being brought out to the sales floor.
- Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:31 pm
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Well, SOMEBODY has bought a LOT of .223/5.56mm in the last month or so. I'm curious about something...has anyone on here been to a gun show RECENTLY (since the Sandy Hook incident)? Does it seem like vendors there have .223/5.56mm ammo for sale? I'm not asking about prices, just availability. I know that some are buying to put it away for a "rainy day", and I do have some for that purpose myself...and MANY people have bought ARs and other .223 rifles recently...but there was PLENTY of ammo and now there is VERY little...it had to have gone SOMEWHERE. Did the "resellers" buy up a substantial chunk of it...and I don't mean retailers, but rather the folks who resell at gunshows and at "Guns America", etc.
EDITED TO ADD: Thank you chasfm11 for the clarification.
EDITED TO ADD: Thank you chasfm11 for the clarification.
- Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:40 pm
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Can you expand what you meant by that? Do you mean the government has ordered Wal-mart to not order .223 or ordered the ammo manufacturers to not ship to Wal-mart? I'm pretty curious...chasfm11 wrote:I'm pretty frustrated by the lack of .22ammo, too. I figured that the larger calibers might go and have the stock that I want. But .22? Please!
I've got arrangements with two different Wal-Marts to find out what they are getting each day. Their corp. office is not allowing the stores to order any ammo so they get whatever is on the truck
I don't know if you can believe that but the Wal-Mart employees claim that they will not be getting .223 again. The is a government "hold" on the sale of all of that. If true, it is exactly what I expected. They cannot ban and confiscate so they will just dry up the ammo.
