Seems reasonably accurate. However, the origins of this conflict at least go back to the days of Josef Stalin. He created an artificial famine in 1932-33, generally now known as the Holodomor. He had the Soviet Army steal the entire harvest of wheat to sell on the world market to get cash for industrial spending. At least 3.5 million Ukrainians were starved to death, and perhaps as many as 5 million. Several million more children died later due to birth defects from the mothers' malnutrition. The Ukrainian region was just beginning to recover when Hitler invaded during WWII, and many infamous Eastern Front battles took place there. After WWII, Stalin settled a LOT of ethnic Russians there to get the region going again. Thus the Ukrainians harbor a lot of generational ill-will toward Russians, even though Stalin was a Georgian by birth. So, here we are, many decades after his death, and yet his evil hand still causes more pain and misery. The sins of the father(s) are visited upon the son(s), to borrow the phrase.srothstein wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:50 amI happen to support the Ukrainians in this war, both because Russia invaded them as opposed to vice versa and because my heritage includes Ukrainians from around Kiev on my maternal grandmothers side.
But fairness makes me point out that the question is not if any Ukrainians were in Russia killing Russians, but if Ukrainians were killing Russians in Ukraine. The ethnic Russians in some of the provinces of Ukraine were being killed and were trying to separate from Ukraine and go back to being part of Russia.
Fairness also makes me point out that this was also the excuse the Russians used in 2014 to invade Ukraine and take back the Crimean area. Seems to be a pattern starting here. And for anyone who wants to answer claims that it is all Trump's fault, I would point out that in both cases with Russia, there were democratic presidents in office. And when Germany used the same excuse to invade Czechoslovakia, it was also with a Democratic president in office.
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- Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:33 am
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- Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:32 am
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Re: Ukraine goes all 2nd amendment all of a sudden
Well, thank goodness I'm not the only one. I was watching several webcams last night from Ukraine. I watched cams in Kyiv (the one of which is now down, imagine that), Kharkov, Poltava, and Zaporzhzhia. People seemed to be going about their daily lives, no panic that I could see. I remember plenty of images of Sarajevo being attacked by the Bosnian Serbs, THAT was a real warzone. I'm not backing Putin or praising him. However, as usual, the US/Western mass news media are hyping this far beyond the reality of it. And as usual, that irritates the blazes out of me.Ruark wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:00 am It's all so preposterous. Putin has NO interest whatsoever in harming the Ukrainian people, their infrastructure, etc. His actions are directed towards the Ukrainian military, who has spent the last 8 years murdering over 14,000 of the ethnic Russians of Donbass with almost daily shelling and sniper fire. As Putin said, "enough is enough."
The U.S. does NOT want Russia to have any control, political or economic, of Ukraine, for geopolitical reasons. That's why the CIA fomented the uprising in Maidan and replaced the elected President Yanukovich with the American puppet Poroshenko, a bloodthirsty Nazi butcher. In fact, the current president Zelensky promised during his campaign that he would have Poroshenko arrested for war crimes, which of course he didn't. Meanwhile, the genocide of ethnic Russians in Donbass has continued, with absolutely no mention in the press.
Meanwhile, millions of Ukrainians, especially in Donbass, are cheering and celebrating the arrival of Russian forces in the region. They're standing along the streets, smiling and waving and giving thumbs-ups to passing Russian troops.
My wife has a cousin in Kharkov, and talks with her via Skype every couple of days. She says she can't even tell anything is happening. No bombs or gunfire, people going about their lives as usual, but she has many relatives and friends around Ukraine and in Russia, and they are, without exception, thrilled to death to see this happening.
Of course the American media portrays the opposite, as if evil Russia were carpet-bombing Ukrainian cities, and you don't DARE take another viewpoint, or you're a traitor. It's really pathetic. People are so freaking gullible.