The IDPA 2017 Rulebook has been updated again and is now version 2017.2. Here is the link to the IDPA Rulebook version 2017.2:
http://members.idpa.com/Content/Rules/4sig5pxx.mr1.pdf
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- Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:51 am
- Forum: Competitive Shooting
- Topic: IDPA 2017 Rulebook dramatically changes BUG size/weight limits
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- Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:11 pm
- Forum: Competitive Shooting
- Topic: IDPA 2017 Rulebook dramatically changes BUG size/weight limits
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Re: IDPA 2017 Rulebook dramatically changes BUG size/weight limits
That's good news Chas. Unfortunately for me, my Springfield XD9 SubCompact exceeds the height limit by 0.25" and I don't think I can squeeze that into the box even with the magazine compressed, so my BUG gun is out. I was excited about shooting PCC but now that will be an optional and they practically removed all mention of PCC from the rulebook. I'm bummed.Charles L. Cotton wrote:It looks like my CZ75 Compact will be legal for CCP.Charles L. Cotton wrote:I'm not at all happy that I cannot shoot my new CZ75 Compact PCR in CCP. I like to shoot what I carry, but if I were to keep shooting it, it would be in ESP and with a 3.8" barrel. Although I don't care about winning my Division/Class, I don't care to be embarrassed either. A 3.8" barrel in ESP is not only non-competitive, it would be embarrassing. That means it's back to my 1911 Gov't Model in 9mm for ESP or stick with CDP.
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- Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:34 am
- Forum: Competitive Shooting
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Re: IDPA 2017 Rulebook dramatically changes BUG size/weight limits
I still need to go back and update my original post using the finalized 2017 rulebook size and weight limits for BUG. To summarize:
2015 IDPA BUG Limits:
- Barrel Length <= 3.60”
- Size 7.25” x 5.5” x 1.375”
- Weight 29.00 oz
Finalized 2017 IDPA BUG Limits:
- Barrel Length <= 3.50”
- Size 6.50” x 4.50” x 1.375”
- Weight 26.00 oz
Beretta Px4 Storm SubCompact in 9mm
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-subcompact/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.22”x4.8”x1.42”
Weight: 26.1 oz (w/o Mag)
2015 BUG Legal: No - Width Limit, looks like the Ambi-Safety is the issue.
2017 BUG Legal: No - Height, Width and Weight Limits
Beretta Px4 Storm SubCompact in .40S&W
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-subcompact/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.22”x4.8”x1.42”
Weight: 26.1 oz (w/o Mag)
2015 BUG Legal: No - Width Limit, looks like the Ambi-Safety is the issue.
2017 BUG Legal: No - Height, Width and Weight Limits
2015 IDPA BUG Limits:
- Barrel Length <= 3.60”
- Size 7.25” x 5.5” x 1.375”
- Weight 29.00 oz
Finalized 2017 IDPA BUG Limits:
- Barrel Length <= 3.50”
- Size 6.50” x 4.50” x 1.375”
- Weight 26.00 oz
Beretta Px4 Storm SubCompact in 9mm
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-subcompact/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.22”x4.8”x1.42”
Weight: 26.1 oz (w/o Mag)
2015 BUG Legal: No - Width Limit, looks like the Ambi-Safety is the issue.
2017 BUG Legal: No - Height, Width and Weight Limits
Beretta Px4 Storm SubCompact in .40S&W
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-subcompact/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.22”x4.8”x1.42”
Weight: 26.1 oz (w/o Mag)
2015 BUG Legal: No - Width Limit, looks like the Ambi-Safety is the issue.
2017 BUG Legal: No - Height, Width and Weight Limits
- Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:16 am
- Forum: Competitive Shooting
- Topic: IDPA 2017 Rulebook dramatically changes BUG size/weight limits
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Re: IDPA 2017 Rulebook dramatically changes BUG size/weight limits
The finalized IDPA 2017 Rulebook was recently released and the BUG weight limit was changed.
This podcast from Triangle Tactical has text from an email that was going around indicating changes to BUG were made to allow the Shield.
This podcast from Triangle Tactical has text from an email that was going around indicating changes to BUG were made to allow the Shield.
- Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:04 pm
- Forum: Competitive Shooting
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IDPA 2017 Rulebook dramatically changes BUG size/weight limits
[Edited to use the Finalized IDPA 2017 Rulebook version 2017.2, and to remove my comment about it being a Glock division since the weight limit moved to 26 oz]
The Finalized IDPA 2017 Rulebook changes BUG size/weight limits. Here is a link to the IDPA 2017 rulebook:
Version 2017.2: http://members.idpa.com/Content/Rules/4sig5pxx.mr1.pdf
Version 2017.1a: http://www.idpa.com/misc/Rulebook%202017%20Master.pdf
I have competed exclusively in BUG since that division became effective on March 1, 2015. I shoot a Springfield Armory XD9SC, which will no longer be legal under the 2017 rules. I compete at the IDPA matches at PSC and I'm usually the only one shooting BUG.
Why would the IDPA powers that be dramatically change the size and weight limits to remove a large number of pistols from the BUG division? Are they trying to kill BUG? The 2017 BUG rules have effectively removed a large number of small pistols from the BUG division.
This issue is also being discussed here: http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/12428/2 ... -HQ?page=1
Here is a summary of the BUG size and weight limits by rulebook year:
2015 IDPA BUG Limits:
- Barrel Length <= 3.60”
- Size 7.25” x 5.5” x 1.375”
- Weight 29.00 oz
Finalized 2017 IDPA BUG Limits (version 2017.2):
- Barrel Length <= 3.50”
- Size 6.50” x 4.625” x 1.375”
- Weight 26.00 oz
Glock 26 Gen4 9mm
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g26gen4
Barrel Length 3.42”
Size (LxHxW): 6.41”x4.17”x1.18”
Weight w/Mag: 21.71 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Glock 43 9mm
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g43
Barrel Length 3.39”
Size (LxHxW): 6.29”x4.25”x1.02”
Weight w/Mag: 17.95 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Glock 27 Gen4 .40
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g27gen4
Barrel Length 3.42”
Size (LxHxW): 6.41”x4.17”x1.18”
Weight w/Mag: 21.89 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Springfield Armory XD-S 3.3 9mm
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... -3-3-9-mm/
Barrel Length 3.3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.3”x4.4”x0.9”
Weight w/Mag: 23 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Springfield Armory XD-S 3.3 .40SW
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... tack-40sw/
Barrel Length 3.3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.3”x4.4”x0.9”
Weight w/Mag: 22 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Springfield Armory XD-S 3.3 .45ACP
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... -3-45-acp/
Barrel Length 3.3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.3”x4.4”x0.9”
Weight w/Mag: 21.5 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Springfield Armory XD 3” Sub-Compact 9mm
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... mpact-9mm/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.25”x4.75”x1.20”
Weight w/Mag: 26 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limit
Springfield Armory XD 3” Sub-Compact .40SW
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... ct-40-cal/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.25”x4.75”x1.20”
Weight w/Mag: 26 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limit
Springfield Armory XD MOD.2 3” Sub-Compact 9mm
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... mpact-9mm/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.25”x4.75”x1.19”
Weight w/Mag: 26 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limit
Springfield Armory XD MOD.2 3” Sub-Compact .40SW
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... pact-40sw/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.25”x4.75”x1.19”
Weight w/Mag: 26 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limit
Springfield Armory XD MOD.2 3.3” Sub-Compact .45ACP
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... act-45acp/
Barrel Length 3.3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.5”x4.75”x1.20”
Weight w/Mag: 26 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limit
Springfield Armory 1911 EMP 9mm
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... -emp-9-mm/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.6”x5”x?
Weight w/Mag: 27 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Weight and Height Limits
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield 9mm
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_M%26P
Barrel Length 3.1”
Size (LxHxW): 6.1”x4.6”x0.95”
Weight w/Mag: 20.8 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Smith & Wesson M&P40 Shield .40SW
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-40-shield
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_M%26P
Barrel Length 3.1”
Size (LxHxW): 6.1”x4.6”x0.95”
Weight w/Mag: 20.6 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Smith & Wesson M&P9C Compact 9mm
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9c-compact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_M%26P
Barrel Length 3.5”
Size (LxHxW): 6.7”x4.3”x1.2”
Weight w/Mag: 24.7 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Length Limit
Ruger SR9c 9mm
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/products/ ... /3314.html
Barrel Length 3.40”
Size (LxHxW): 6.85”x4.61”x1.27”
Weight w/Mag: 23.4 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Length Limit
Ruger SR40c .40SW
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/products/ ... /3477.html
Barrel Length 3.50”
Size (LxHxW): 6.85”x4.61”x1.27”
Weight w/Mag: 23.4 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Length Limit
Ruger LC9s 9mm
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/products/ ... /3248.html
Barrel Length 3.12”
Size (LxHxW): 6.0”x4.50”x0.90”
Weight w/Mag: 17.2 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Kahr P9 9mm
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp
Barrel Length 3.6”
Size (LxHxW): 5.8”x4.5”x0.9”
Weight w/Mag: 16.9 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Barrel Length Limit
Kahr CW9 9mm
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CW9.asp
Barrel Length 3.6”
Size (LxHxW): 5.9”x4.5”x0.9”
Weight w/Mag: 17.7 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Barrel Length Limit
Kahr P40 .40SW
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P40.asp
Barrel Length 3.6”
Size (LxHxW): 6.1”x4.55”x0.94”
Weight w/Mag: 18.7 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Barrel Length Limit
Sig Sauer P290RS 9mm
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductD ... 290rs.aspx
Barrel Length 2.9”
Size (LxHxW): 5.5”x3.9”x1.1”
Weight w/Mag: 20.5 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
CZ 2075 RAMI 9mm
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-2075-rami- ... 4-rd-mags/
Barrel Length 3.05”
Size (LxHxW): 6.5”x4.7”x1.25”
Weight w/Mag: 25.9 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limits
[Edited to add Beretta Px4 Storm]
Beretta Px4 Storm SubCompact in 9mm
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-subcompact/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.22”x4.8”x1.42”
Weight: 26.1 oz (w/o Mag)
2015 BUG Legal: No - Width Limit, looks like the Ambi-Safety is the issue.
2017 BUG Legal: No - Height, Width and Weight Limits
Beretta Px4 Storm SubCompact in .40S&W
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-subcompact/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.22”x4.8”x1.42”
Weight: 26.1 oz (w/o Mag)
2015 BUG Legal: No - Width Limit, looks like the Ambi-Safety is the issue.
2017 BUG Legal: No - Height, Width and Weight Limits
The Finalized IDPA 2017 Rulebook changes BUG size/weight limits. Here is a link to the IDPA 2017 rulebook:
Version 2017.2: http://members.idpa.com/Content/Rules/4sig5pxx.mr1.pdf
Version 2017.1a: http://www.idpa.com/misc/Rulebook%202017%20Master.pdf
I have competed exclusively in BUG since that division became effective on March 1, 2015. I shoot a Springfield Armory XD9SC, which will no longer be legal under the 2017 rules. I compete at the IDPA matches at PSC and I'm usually the only one shooting BUG.
Why would the IDPA powers that be dramatically change the size and weight limits to remove a large number of pistols from the BUG division? Are they trying to kill BUG? The 2017 BUG rules have effectively removed a large number of small pistols from the BUG division.
This issue is also being discussed here: http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/12428/2 ... -HQ?page=1
Here is a summary of the BUG size and weight limits by rulebook year:
2015 IDPA BUG Limits:
- Barrel Length <= 3.60”
- Size 7.25” x 5.5” x 1.375”
- Weight 29.00 oz
Finalized 2017 IDPA BUG Limits (version 2017.2):
- Barrel Length <= 3.50”
- Size 6.50” x 4.625” x 1.375”
- Weight 26.00 oz
Glock 26 Gen4 9mm
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g26gen4
Barrel Length 3.42”
Size (LxHxW): 6.41”x4.17”x1.18”
Weight w/Mag: 21.71 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Glock 43 9mm
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g43
Barrel Length 3.39”
Size (LxHxW): 6.29”x4.25”x1.02”
Weight w/Mag: 17.95 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Glock 27 Gen4 .40
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g27gen4
Barrel Length 3.42”
Size (LxHxW): 6.41”x4.17”x1.18”
Weight w/Mag: 21.89 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Springfield Armory XD-S 3.3 9mm
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... -3-3-9-mm/
Barrel Length 3.3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.3”x4.4”x0.9”
Weight w/Mag: 23 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Springfield Armory XD-S 3.3 .40SW
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... tack-40sw/
Barrel Length 3.3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.3”x4.4”x0.9”
Weight w/Mag: 22 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Springfield Armory XD-S 3.3 .45ACP
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... -3-45-acp/
Barrel Length 3.3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.3”x4.4”x0.9”
Weight w/Mag: 21.5 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Springfield Armory XD 3” Sub-Compact 9mm
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... mpact-9mm/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.25”x4.75”x1.20”
Weight w/Mag: 26 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limit
Springfield Armory XD 3” Sub-Compact .40SW
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... ct-40-cal/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.25”x4.75”x1.20”
Weight w/Mag: 26 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limit
Springfield Armory XD MOD.2 3” Sub-Compact 9mm
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... mpact-9mm/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.25”x4.75”x1.19”
Weight w/Mag: 26 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limit
Springfield Armory XD MOD.2 3” Sub-Compact .40SW
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... pact-40sw/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.25”x4.75”x1.19”
Weight w/Mag: 26 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limit
Springfield Armory XD MOD.2 3.3” Sub-Compact .45ACP
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... act-45acp/
Barrel Length 3.3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.5”x4.75”x1.20”
Weight w/Mag: 26 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limit
Springfield Armory 1911 EMP 9mm
http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... -emp-9-mm/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.6”x5”x?
Weight w/Mag: 27 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Weight and Height Limits
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield 9mm
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_M%26P
Barrel Length 3.1”
Size (LxHxW): 6.1”x4.6”x0.95”
Weight w/Mag: 20.8 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Smith & Wesson M&P40 Shield .40SW
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-40-shield
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_M%26P
Barrel Length 3.1”
Size (LxHxW): 6.1”x4.6”x0.95”
Weight w/Mag: 20.6 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Smith & Wesson M&P9C Compact 9mm
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9c-compact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_M%26P
Barrel Length 3.5”
Size (LxHxW): 6.7”x4.3”x1.2”
Weight w/Mag: 24.7 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Length Limit
Ruger SR9c 9mm
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/products/ ... /3314.html
Barrel Length 3.40”
Size (LxHxW): 6.85”x4.61”x1.27”
Weight w/Mag: 23.4 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Length Limit
Ruger SR40c .40SW
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/products/ ... /3477.html
Barrel Length 3.50”
Size (LxHxW): 6.85”x4.61”x1.27”
Weight w/Mag: 23.4 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Length Limit
Ruger LC9s 9mm
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/products/ ... /3248.html
Barrel Length 3.12”
Size (LxHxW): 6.0”x4.50”x0.90”
Weight w/Mag: 17.2 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
Kahr P9 9mm
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P9.asp
Barrel Length 3.6”
Size (LxHxW): 5.8”x4.5”x0.9”
Weight w/Mag: 16.9 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Barrel Length Limit
Kahr CW9 9mm
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CW9.asp
Barrel Length 3.6”
Size (LxHxW): 5.9”x4.5”x0.9”
Weight w/Mag: 17.7 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Barrel Length Limit
Kahr P40 .40SW
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P40.asp
Barrel Length 3.6”
Size (LxHxW): 6.1”x4.55”x0.94”
Weight w/Mag: 18.7 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Barrel Length Limit
Sig Sauer P290RS 9mm
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductD ... 290rs.aspx
Barrel Length 2.9”
Size (LxHxW): 5.5”x3.9”x1.1”
Weight w/Mag: 20.5 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: Yes
CZ 2075 RAMI 9mm
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-2075-rami- ... 4-rd-mags/
Barrel Length 3.05”
Size (LxHxW): 6.5”x4.7”x1.25”
Weight w/Mag: 25.9 oz
2015 BUG Legal: Yes
2017 BUG Legal: No - Exceeds Height Limits
[Edited to add Beretta Px4 Storm]
Beretta Px4 Storm SubCompact in 9mm
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-subcompact/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.22”x4.8”x1.42”
Weight: 26.1 oz (w/o Mag)
2015 BUG Legal: No - Width Limit, looks like the Ambi-Safety is the issue.
2017 BUG Legal: No - Height, Width and Weight Limits
Beretta Px4 Storm SubCompact in .40S&W
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-subcompact/
Barrel Length 3”
Size (LxHxW): 6.22”x4.8”x1.42”
Weight: 26.1 oz (w/o Mag)
2015 BUG Legal: No - Width Limit, looks like the Ambi-Safety is the issue.
2017 BUG Legal: No - Height, Width and Weight Limits