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TAM, I get what you're saying now and we're on the same page. Just differences in semantics. For you they are divine principles and values, and for me they are the true and original American values. Those principles are what I believe in. We hold those values dearly but there are many that don't so I don't think divine is as accurate a label. It's hard for me to understand but some people would prefer to live with big government and less freedom. Laziness and fear is probably why. For them it's easy to be told what to do and how to live their life. And safer too because if they fail, they are taken care of by others.

I do think a break up of some sort is possible. Not just by Texas but it could be a number of states. There will be "haves" and "have nots". The "have nots" will be the cities and states that have over-spent. They will expect assistance to fund their irresponsible policies.

The Annoyed Man wrote:You cannot advocate for succession without equally renouncing being an American. If you are prepared to do that, you may claim to be a Texas patriot, but you can no longer claim to be an American patriot. And by the way, you can't promote and defend the "Constitution of the United States" (the document's actual title) by advocating for succession from the nation on which it is founded.

I disagree. To me an American believes in the values that this country was founded on and the Constitution as it was written. It is those set of values that made this country great and defined what America is. It's not in a name or location. When I look at the socialists in this country, I don't see them as true Americans. If land boundaries or a name has to change so that the constitution can work again, then so be it.

Thanks for that link. I signed up for updates. Hopefully this catches on! Maybe one day when things get bad enough. Like when California and other socialist states go bankrupt and look to others for hand outs.