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Do you and cb automatically assume this guy is lying also?
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I can't speak for CB, (man, you just can't seem to grasp the concept of personal opinions), but >>> I <<< think the guy was embellishing. Based solely on the video and not knowing the guy, I think there probably was a coyote (but not an uber-coyote) on his property, that his dogs did bark at it, that he probably shot at it and may have hit it (blood specks). Everything else seems a bit much. And, as you appreciate the echo chamber, read the remarks under the video. Most folks think the guys a wannabe Rambo and a douche. (Make that wannabe Rick)
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- Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:52 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
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- Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:31 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
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Re: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
cb1000rider wrote:Really? A Texas Coyote will take on a dog the size of a lab near a human?healthinsp wrote:Just read the story again.
Out jogging with lab and coyote tries to take easy meal. Totally plausible. This is actually a fairly common behavior among coyote. The animal services officers I work with call it supper on a string.
I've lived in Texas a long time and most Coyote's that I've seen are pretty skittish and probably don't weigh as much as a lab...
Serious question. I've never had any fear of coyotes... If one was hanging about, I'd think something was wrong (rabies).
Dinner on a string? A yorkie maybe...
I was kinda thinking the same thing, but as this self-inflicted wound that I started has taken on a life of it's own and become a referendum for political leanings (as is usually the case), I didn't expand. I also have a 72lb lab mix that is so laid back that folks refer to him as "The Dude" (Big Lebowski). That said, he recently showed an aggressive Husky the error of his ways and a coyote would only be a threat to him as a choking hazard.
Sorry I took you down with me, man.mojo84 wrote: Do you and cb automatically assume this guy is lying also?
- Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:04 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
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Re: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
You noticed that did you? Was it just me, or do you notice that of anyone whose opinion differs from yours?mojo84 wrote: Just common sense and taking the man for his word until I have evidence or valid reason to believe otherwise. I don't think he would just come up with something like that out of the wild blue.
I noticed your opinion follows closely to those promoted by Slate, Huffington Post, The Daily Beast and other similar progressive propaganda pushers.
As to your "follows closely" and "promoted by" perjoratives, I expressed MY opinion and stated the reasons why. Whether or not someone else agrees (or disagrees) with it matters not and changes nothing, it's still MY opinion. As Warren Buffet (my capitalist hero) says, "Being agreed with doesn't make you right or wrong." That said, it's not carved in stone, I just haven't seen anything that has convinced me otherwise. It's still possible that it happened, I just don't think it's likely.
And, common sense is taking a politician at his word? Especially about a self-agrandizing statement? Well of course, politicians never lie and they certainly wouldn't lie to make themselves look better.
Can I interest you in a nice ocean view condominum for sale in Kansas?
- Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:50 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
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Re: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
For you, apparently not.mojo84 wrote:In other words, you have no reason or evidence other than you don't like or trust Perry.myntalfloss wrote:Well, as it is, we simply have Perry's word that this happened. We really have no proof for or against. But as it's said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And that which is asserted w/o evidence may be similarly dismissed." Given Perry's penchant for self-promotion, I think had this really happened, he'd have had pictures out the wazoo of him posing with the carcass and his defensless dog and would have probably had the pelt made into a coonskin-style hat to wear at rallys.mojo84 wrote:myntalfloss wrote:Ok, all this coyote talk begs the question.... How many think that Perry actually shot a coyote with a .380 LCP?
Do you have reason to believe he didn't?
That said, here's the troubling parts to me.
It was a single, well-placed round from a LCP. (That in itself is almost an oxymoron.)
There were no witnesses. (Wouldn't his bodyguards have come forward, praising Dead-eye Rick for his skill?)
There was no coyote carcass brought forward.
He's a politician.
It's a self-serving statement.
He was in the midst of a gubernatorial race with Mark White, and this story plays into the rugged, macho Texas image that he likes to cultivate.
He parsed the story by saying that the 'coyote dropped' and 'it felt no pain', which leaves room for plausible deniability.
And, for the last 40 years, I've ascribed to the theory that you can tell when a politician is lying because his lips are moving. I haven't been disappointed yet.
As easy as this would have been to put to bed, the fact that it wasn't speaks volumes.
But, it could have happened. For some folks, that he said he did is proof enough.
I don't like Obama either but, I'm pretty sure OBL is dead. (This would be a textbook example of extraordinary evidence, videos, pictures, witnesses, carcass, all the things the Perry story lacks.) My disdain for politicians has nothing to do with facts. Come to think about it, politicians have nothing to do with facts.
BTW, did you mention the reasons that you believe it happened? Other than you like and trust Perry.
- Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:39 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
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Re: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
It did have an integrated laser IIRC.
I have one on my LCR and it's invisible beyond 7 yards in the daylight.
Again, IIRC, he was jogging. I don't know if the bodyguards attend him while jogging or not but we are not talking president/secret service relationship. So that leaves the possiibility at least that they weren't there (at least within eyeshot) to see it. If he was jogging, why would you retrieve and carry back a 50# varmint, especially if it might have been rabid.
How much would a cellphone pix weigh? Have you ever seen a politician avoid a favorable photo op?
Not necessarily "proof enough" but it is plausible and by all accounts Perry is a very good shot. I don't know whether it happened or not but I don't find it an "extraordinary claim" requiring extraordinary evidence, convenient as it may have been.[/quote]
Well, Perry felt it was extraordinary enough to mention (repeatedly) and Ruger felt it warranted a special issue gun, so we can probably agree it wasn't mundane and just another day in the life of a politician.
Again, could've happened. I wasn't there. Just responding to the question why I don't believe it.
I have one on my LCR and it's invisible beyond 7 yards in the daylight.
Again, IIRC, he was jogging. I don't know if the bodyguards attend him while jogging or not but we are not talking president/secret service relationship. So that leaves the possiibility at least that they weren't there (at least within eyeshot) to see it. If he was jogging, why would you retrieve and carry back a 50# varmint, especially if it might have been rabid.
How much would a cellphone pix weigh? Have you ever seen a politician avoid a favorable photo op?
Not necessarily "proof enough" but it is plausible and by all accounts Perry is a very good shot. I don't know whether it happened or not but I don't find it an "extraordinary claim" requiring extraordinary evidence, convenient as it may have been.[/quote]
Well, Perry felt it was extraordinary enough to mention (repeatedly) and Ruger felt it warranted a special issue gun, so we can probably agree it wasn't mundane and just another day in the life of a politician.
Again, could've happened. I wasn't there. Just responding to the question why I don't believe it.
- Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:22 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
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Re: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
Well, as it is, we simply have Perry's word that this happened. We really have no proof for or against. But as it's said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And that which is asserted w/o evidence may be similarly dismissed." Given Perry's penchant for self-promotion, I think had this really happened, he'd have had pictures out the wazoo of him posing with the carcass and his defensless dog and would have probably had the pelt made into a coonskin-style hat to wear at rallys.mojo84 wrote:myntalfloss wrote:Ok, all this coyote talk begs the question.... How many think that Perry actually shot a coyote with a .380 LCP?
Do you have reason to believe he didn't?
That said, here's the troubling parts to me.
It was a single, well-placed round from a LCP. (That in itself is almost an oxymoron.)
There were no witnesses. (Wouldn't his bodyguards have come forward, praising Dead-eye Rick for his skill?)
There was no coyote carcass brought forward.
He's a politician.
It's a self-serving statement.
He was in the midst of a gubernatorial race with Mark White, and this story plays into the rugged, macho Texas image that he likes to cultivate.
He parsed the story by saying that the 'coyote dropped' and 'it felt no pain', which leaves room for plausible deniability.
And, for the last 40 years, I've ascribed to the theory that you can tell when a politician is lying because his lips are moving. I haven't been disappointed yet.
As easy as this would have been to put to bed, the fact that it wasn't speaks volumes.
But, it could have happened. For some folks, that he said he did is proof enough.
- Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:36 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
- Replies: 59
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Re: Will Perry's CHL Be Suspended?
Ok, all this coyote talk begs the question.... How many think that Perry actually shot a coyote with a .380 LCP?