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C-dub wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:09 pm
How does a BOS prove the buyer is not prohibited from owning a firearm? A DL can tell you their state of residency and age, but that’s it.

Exactly correct and what are the requirements that you ask of a buyer? Age and state of residence.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:24 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:07 pm

carlson1 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am I just stated what the law in Texas requires.

We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.

I occasionally see guns for sale that look interesting. Then I will read the part where the seller requires the buyer to use an FFL, at the buyers expense, for a $200 gun. Or requires a FTF transaction when they live 200 miles from the nearest major city, and the seller refuses to meet in the middle, etc. I sometimes get curious about whether these guys actually manage to ever sell their guns.

But as you said, you can require anything you want, as either the seller or the buyer. If a business owner can require me to not be wearing underwear* in order to buy from them, they why would a private seller not be able to put any restrictions they want on a buyer?

* or shoes, or a gun, or a shirt, etc., etc.

When I sell on gun broker or texas gun broker, if the buyer is a resident of Texas and wanting to skip the FFL in a FTF, I am good with it. Like I said earlier, I have an issue with putting restrictions on a gun purchase that are beyond what the law requires. I have never ask for a DL in a FTF. That is just against my grain.

One can get or give a bill of sale(receipt) with no driver license, LTC, background checks, family verification or thumb prints.

I am with Carlson, comply with the law and no more or less.

How do you comply with the law? How can you prove if it ever needs to be proven that a person you sell a gun to is a Texas resident or old enough to buy the gun? To me that is the reason to use a BOS. Texas doesn't require a lot but if your gun is subsequently used in a crime how can you prove that you didn't sell it to someone that didn't meet Texas minimal requirements? If you had a potential buyer that refused to do a BOS would you feel comfortable selling to him? I realize this has been debated multiple times but I only buy or sell with a valid BOS and I want the drivers license or LTC. My choice and no driving to meet half way without first agreeing on the basics. I don't care how others do it. I have never actually had a seller that wouldn't do a BOS so I really don't know if they are even out there. And I have done more than my fair share of gun buying. Much more.
My bank won't even cash my checks without my photo ID. I can't vote without my photo ID.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:03 am

carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”

If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.

Thank You. I thought it was something along those lines. I would not buy a firearm or anything else from a random seller anyway. These days it is just too much risk to get a name out of Craigs list and meet up with money in hand.

Using verifiable platforms to buy and sell use feel pretty safe to me. I know for instance that a long time member here selling a gun is highly unlikely to be selling me a stolen gun. I have sold face to face a couple times off Gun Broker but both times it was to people who had a long term membership and I could reasonably verify they were legitimate, non felon gun buyers. Who had residency in Texas.

I personally have bought some very fine firearms using Texasguntrader and you can see if the member has been a member for one day or years. Craigslist doesn't sell guns. I also use a bill of sale which includes the persons drivers license and I don't buy without it. Your choice of course but you may miss some very fine purchases.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:31 pm

rotor wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:15 pm Even the bill of sale is not required but I personally get one.

That is not a bad idea and I would do that with anything I sell, simply as evidence it was sold. One would think the person purchasing a gun would also want to have proof they paid for it. It is ironic that the person buying the gun is at more legal risk than the one selling it. You could be buying a stolen gun.

I agree but if you have read many posts on this forum you will see that many people don't want to get a bill of sale. Sounds foolish to me but that's the way it is. Bill of sale is not legally required though.

Even the bill of sale is not required but I personally get one.