Or, you could use the tactics of some of the nut jobs out there, come with an accomplice with a video camera, record the whole incident and if you end up getting arrested or illegally stopped filing a lawsuit against whoever is doing the stop. Attorney general fines go into state pockets. Private lawsuit money goes into your pocket. I am not suggesting this be done but as a hypothetical issue it is an interesting scenario. I agree that the AG method is cumbersome. In my city the next gun show ( held on city owned property) is in August. The last one was 30.06 and 30.07 signed with sheriff people working the doors (off duty I assume) and not knowledgeable about signage. A complaint to the city manager and he advised the gun show organizer that it could not be posted. I will remind the city manager in August before the next gun show that he needed to make sure it wasn't posted. We will see how that turns out. Interesting though that the gay rights people are really pushing for 2nd amendment rights with the Pink Pistols lawsuit. We need all the help we can get as long as the majority of people in this country are democrats.AJSully421 wrote:I am sure that if someone turned this in to the OAG, Houston would respond that it was a private event and that THEY did not give notice, so they cannot be held liable. But I really hope that any Houston Police Officer will be smart enough to know that they cannot prevent someone from carrying at a parade on a public street.
This highlights another issue. The current law about how a license holder can deal with this is completely ineffective. So, you show up to the pride parade here on Saturday June 25th, you are told by a security guard or maybe a police officer that you cannot carry on a public street. You take note of the time and date and the person's name who gave you notice, maybe take a picture of a sign, you go home and type out a notice to the city and put it in the mail, certified, on the same day.
Now, you have to give them three full business days to respond from the date that you show they got the certified letter before you file with the OAG. So, you have zero recourse, even though you are 100% sure that they are wrong and that your rights have been violated. In the mean time, by the time any of this happens, the event is over and your rights are still violated. Then, and only then, do you file with the OAG, and they take 90 days to tell the city of Houston to take down the sign or stop giving notice, and the City of Houston comes back and says "The event has been over for 90 days, and we have no idea what you are talking about, The City did not give notice, a private event promoter did." and our rights remain in peril next year, and the year after that.
Undoubtedly, these folks will learn that the law is meaningless, and that they can infringe on the rights of LTCers without any sort of penalty, so they keep it up year after year. Next year, it will be the Houston Marathon, then it will be the 4th of July parade and fireworks, then it will be Christmas Tree Lighting ceremonies, then... pretty much anything that is a 1-5 day event, because they know that nothing can be done to stop them.
Here is my solution. First, none of this "citizen gives notice and waits three days" nonsense, we should only have to see a sign, and then instantly either fill out a web form, or call the 1800 number and report the entity and where the sign is to the 30.06 team at the AG's Office. The person at the OAG taking the call then immediately turns around and calls whoever at that entity, or calls the local police and orders them to take down the sign or cover it, or stop giving verbal notice within only a few hours and provide proof that they have stopped. The default setting should be to take down the sign or stop giving verbal notice, until the OAG determines that the sign is compliant, then they can put it back up, not the other way around.
I'm writing my reps about this, I am tired of this junk.
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- Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:46 am
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- Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:08 am
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What would be the lawful stop for carrying on a public street (especially concealed) which could not legally be posted with 30.06 or 30.07?Beiruty wrote:A police officer can still disarm a LTC person after a lawful stoprotor wrote:Be interesting to see if their security tries to disarm a LTC holder on a public street.
- Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:08 am
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Re: Houston Banning Carry at Pride Events
Be interesting to see if their security tries to disarm a LTC holder on a public street.