1. This topic has been beaten to death
2. The right to own a firearm predates the constitution. We would still be doing "hail to the king" without firearms.
3. You don't compromise on a "right". You don't accept loss of something guaranteed by the constitution.
4. Same as 1
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- Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:57 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Doctors asking if you own a gun
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- Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:23 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Doctors asking if you own a gun
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Re: Doctors asking if you own a gun
If there is any question about guns and obamacare here is an executive order issued by Obama on Jan 25, 2013.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Obama-g ... /id/471689" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Item # 2 says
"2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background-check system."
You can interpret that to mean anything you want. Does it mean that they can data-mine a doctors records? I don't know. I would assume they could by Executive order. What would they look for? Did you ever take an anti-depressant? Very easy to data mine for key things. What would they do with the info, I don't know. Interestingly some years ago the FAA data-mined pilots medical exams ( big fine for lying) with medical records and disablity claims ( I don't remember all the details). A bunch of pilots were caught on this trap and I imagine had big penaltys.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Obama-g ... /id/471689" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Item # 2 says
"2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background-check system."
You can interpret that to mean anything you want. Does it mean that they can data-mine a doctors records? I don't know. I would assume they could by Executive order. What would they look for? Did you ever take an anti-depressant? Very easy to data mine for key things. What would they do with the info, I don't know. Interestingly some years ago the FAA data-mined pilots medical exams ( big fine for lying) with medical records and disablity claims ( I don't remember all the details). A bunch of pilots were caught on this trap and I imagine had big penaltys.
- Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:22 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Doctors asking if you own a gun
- Replies: 69
- Views: 16726
Re: Doctors asking if you own a gun
cb1000rider, your trust in the HIPAA laws to protect medical information assumes that the government won't access the information. The questions about gun ownership are part of the medical record mandated by ???. Doctors don't automatically start adding these questions to their templates. The HIPAA laws fine you or private companies for releasing medical information. But when the IRS can pull off release of info to "friends" what makes you think that your medical info won't be scanned by the government and what would you do if they did scan it? Have you heard of Edward Snowden? The fact that your electronic records are all stored in house means nothing if you are part of a "portal" that shares records with other providers and if you are not yet doing this you will in the future. Everything will be on the internet and reachable by the same people that now read all of your emails, track all of your cell phone useage, etc. Sure, there are easier ways to find out if you own a gun but eventually they will just have internet "bots" tracking the records. When it come to HIPAA fines, have you ever heard of the government being fined?cb1000rider wrote:Oh boy. I'll help. Or try to. I don't know if this will make it better or worse:rotor wrote:Many of the electronic health records have this type of question built in. These records are government mandated and doctors that do not adapt to these records are penalized. They also want to know your ethnicity, your sexuality (gay or straight or whatever). All this is to be datamined by big brother and perhaps even NSA. Hopefully your doctor is putting NA in each of those boxes but don't for one second believe that the government mandate is not out there to track down this kind of info. And who knows where it goes. Many electronic health records are stored on the cloud. Easily reachable by NSA. Don't tell your doctor anything that you think should be confidential as even if the doctor says nothing it is datamined. Next will be microphones at confession to record your when you go to church. Or perhaps I am just paranoid. We know that NSA follows this forum.
Doctors are encouraged to go to electronic records by 2015. That's true.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no "universal" means for storing patient data. That is, there are many many different providers of software, but no universal standard. There is no central database on everyone. There are lots of little databases in different forms.
Yes, questions can be personal and may offend some people. Many of the personal questions such as ethnicity and sexuality may actually have a bearing on your health. After all, if you're American Indian, you're more predisposed to certain conditions than other parts of the population. And yea, your sexual lifestyle plays a part in your health risks too. Offended? Yea, we don't like to talk about it. Relevant medical information? Absolutely. Do you have to answer? No.
Records can be stored in many forms. They can be stored on local storage in doctors offices, they can be stored on remote storage, they can be stored on cloud storage. Personally, the loss of my paper medical records could be a problem and I'd be happy if my doctor would choose to store them digitally with a secure remote backup.. Yes, even cloud-based! I keep electronic copies of my dogs vet records as well as my own. It's massively useful when visiting a new vet or doctor to have it all with you in one shot.
There is substantial and significant legislation around how your electronic health data can be stored by companies. It's non-trivial. You can't just pump it to the cloud and be HIPAA compliant. Our legislators have shown good faith there. Course, we know that anything that is electronic can be accessed... Just like paper records.
Look I think.. well... I know that the NSA is listening. If the federal government really wanted to know my ethnicity, sexuality, or if I own a gun - there are much easier ways to obtain that information than from covertly stealing electronic health records. When those records start containing DNA tracing - or other information that can be used for national security, I'll wear the tin-foil hat with you, but until then, it's just not something that I'm going to worry about.
- Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:09 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Doctors asking if you own a gun
- Replies: 69
- Views: 16726
Re: Doctors asking if you own a gun
Many of the electronic health records have this type of question built in. These records are government mandated and doctors that do not adapt to these records are penalized. They also want to know your ethnicity, your sexuality (gay or straight or whatever). All this is to be datamined by big brother and perhaps even NSA. Hopefully your doctor is putting NA in each of those boxes but don't for one second believe that the government mandate is not out there to track down this kind of info. And who knows where it goes. Many electronic health records are stored on the cloud. Easily reachable by NSA. Don't tell your doctor anything that you think should be confidential as even if the doctor says nothing it is datamined. Next will be microphones at confession to record your when you go to church. Or perhaps I am just paranoid. We know that NSA follows this forum.