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cyphertext wrote:

Bitterclinger wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:

TexasTornado wrote:

adl713 wrote:Question:

If there is only a valid 30.06 sign posted, is open carry still permissible on the premises? Going further, by not posting a valid 30.07 sign has the owner invalidated their 30.06 signage?

The two signs are completely independent of one another. 30.06 only covers concealed carry while 30.07 only covers open.

If the 30.06 is the only one posted, legally you may open carry on the premises; however, more than likely you will be given a verbal notice that carry is not permitted.

The two "Bitter Clingers" are completely independent of one another as well

In the interest of full disclosure, the OP did register the name before I did, and I did not search to see if there was anyone who had already claimed it. I will leave it up to the moderators to tell me if there is a need for me to change my handle.

That's up to you, but since the other bitterclinger has posted something that only Bloomberg could love, you may want to change your username. When I read the OP's post, I thought it was you and wondered what in the world had gotten into you!

Chas.

Mr. Cotton, I'm not sure how you were able to misconstrue anything I posted into something that would warrant your harsh and insulting comparison of me to the tyrant Bloomberg. If you would care to elaborate on the point in my post where you became confused, I would be happy to correct your misunderstanding. I have reviewed this post, as well as my previous posts and I can not for the life of me understand what I did to provoke such an attack on my character. I am deeply offend by your calumny, and in a bygone era, I would be compelled to visit your countenance with the back of my glove.

cyphertext wrote:I'm not Mr. Cotton, but I'll take a stab at this...

Bitterclinger wrote:Not to mention the fact that both signs are the same kind of defacto waste of space as software EULAs which are invariably read and observed by absolutely no one.

cyphertext wrote:With this statement, you are stating that CHLers don't abide by the law. There is a whole website dedicated to reporting locations with 30.06 and 30.07 signs so that folks with CHLs know to avoid these businesses when carrying (or just plain avoid)... so someone is reading them.

Fist off, no. I'm stating nothing of the kind. I'm not even implying that by any stretch of the imagination. I'm only saying that the wording and presentation of the sign is similar to the End User Licens Agreements (EULA) that we all click on without (be honest) reading. Personally, I just look for the number 30.06.

Bitterclinger wrote:They subject business owners to unnecessary controversy and expense, to say nothing of the legal implications if they fail to post the proper sign.

cyphertext wrote:Here, you worry more about the expense to a business owner more than the 2A right of the people.

Again, no. I'm far less worried about that, but I am somewhat worried about it from a public perception standpoint. I hope to one day see the whole CCL buracracy replaced by "constitutional carry," and if the business world is constantly subjected to gun-rights compliance issues, I worry that they will not look favorably on that end. I doubt Bloomberg shares my concerns on this or any other position.

Bitterclinger wrote:This may also represent my misunderstanding of the situation, but the signs mean practically nothing to non CHL holders who could get the same warm-fuzzy from a gun-buster sign. We are the only people for whom it makes any legal difference, so couldn't we get by with something like an unobtrusive state seal with a simple 30.06 or 30.07 on it?

cyphertext wrote:The signs are not there for non CHL holders...

This is exactly my point! As a CHL holder, I KNOW THAT A BUSINESS CAN PROHIBIT CARRY. We all went to a lengthy and expensive class and paid a tax, so we should all know that. Why not allow a business to post a more discreet sign that WE are responsible to observe, but does not a) require entrepreneurs to follow convoluted compliance requirements, and b) advertise to the world that the entrapurner has elected to create an ostensibly "gun free" zone where only criminals will have firearms? If I expect people to honor my rights, I must be willing to honor thiers, even in the case of companines who want to prohibit guns. They have a right to do so, and me trying to make it hard on them might cause unnecessary blow-back.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:

TexasTornado wrote:

adl713 wrote:Question:

If there is only a valid 30.06 sign posted, is open carry still permissible on the premises? Going further, by not posting a valid 30.07 sign has the owner invalidated their 30.06 signage?

The two signs are completely independent of one another. 30.06 only covers concealed carry while 30.07 only covers open.

If the 30.06 is the only one posted, legally you may open carry on the premises; however, more than likely you will be given a verbal notice that carry is not permitted.

The two "Bitter Clingers" are completely independent of one another as well

In the interest of full disclosure, the OP did register the name before I did, and I did not search to see if there was anyone who had already claimed it. I will leave it up to the moderators to tell me if there is a need for me to change my handle.

That's up to you, but since the other bitterclinger has posted something that only Bloomberg could love, you may want to change your username. When I read the OP's post, I thought it was you and wondered what in the world had gotten into you!

Chas.

Bitter Clinger wrote:

TexasTornado wrote:

adl713 wrote:Question:

If there is only a valid 30.06 sign posted, is open carry still permissible on the premises? Going further, by not posting a valid 30.07 sign has the owner invalidated their 30.06 signage?

The two signs are completely independent of one another. 30.06 only covers concealed carry while 30.07 only covers open.

If the 30.06 is the only one posted, legally you may open carry on the premises; however, more than likely you will be given a verbal notice that carry is not permitted.

The two "Bitter Clingers" are completely independent of one another as well

In the interest of full disclosure, the OP did register the name before I did, and I did not search to see if there was anyone who had already claimed it. I will leave it up to the moderators to tell me if there is a need for me to change my handle.