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Rafe wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:56 pmI agree on almost all fronts. But I can only think that whatever the NRA's choice was to minimize their participation in this presidential election, it wasn't done with a crystal ball, that no one in the NRA had enough data or was enough of a fortune teller to decide in the Q4 2019 planning stages that Trump was going to lose in 2020 no matter what.

I cannot disagree with you on most of what you said. I am not sure the awareness of either the platform or the corruption would have made a difference in their votes. But I can apologize for not being very clear on what I meant. I did not think the NRA knew ahead of time that there was going to be fraud in the election. I think the decision was made more because they thought there was no use spending the money on the election for the reason I first stated, that there was no middle ground of people waiting to be convinced. I believe as far back as 2019 when they were making their decisions, they knew that people who were voting for Trump were already there, and the rest would not be convinced to. I actually think they thought, as many of us did, that Trump would win.

I believe that there were other non-election related parts that they considered. Remember that they were under attack from several directions, notably the New York attorney general and the mass media. I can understand that they had to take into account the other fights also, especially the accounting scandal that the media was trying to make it look like the NRA had deliberately set up and participated in.

I do wish now, from hindsight, that they had spent more heavily on some of the lower level races. It is possible that we might not have the problem we have in Georgia right now if they had. At least one of the races was going to end up this way anyway, with two Republicans fighting each other against one Democrat in the race, but the other might have been swayed enough to not go to a runoff. And it is at least possible that we could have done even better in the House than we did. But that is with my hindsight and not knowing everything that went into their decision.

I think the NRA did all it could this election and was wise not to spend extensively on the presidential race. I say this because of two things. First is that the lines were much more clearly drawn this election than with Clinton. People who supported the NRA probably already supported Trump and nothing the NRA could do or say would have convinced the remainder. The people who voted for Biden were either Democrats voting for their party or the Never-Trump crowd of Republicans who would not vote for him no matter what. I do not believe there was nearly as much middle ground this time as there was last time. In the 2016 election, one of the factors that worked for Trump were all the Never-Clinton people of both parties. They could be motivated to come out and vote for Trump instead of just sitting it out. This time, there wasn't a middle ground that could help Trump. If the NRA saw this and instead concentrated on some of the lower ballot races, it would help explain how the Republicans did so well in the House and Senate races over predictions.

The second reason is that I honestly and truly believe that there was fraud in this election, and that it was on a scale much more massive than any presidential election before in the US. It just boggles my mind that anyone could believe that both Biden and Trump received more votes than any other presidential candidate in history. And, in case anyone cares, I don't believe the mass media and the politicians who are saying there is no evidence of massive voter fraud. They are ignoring the evidence presented. I note that there has not been much of a response to the finally allowed forensic audit of the voting machines that says they were designed to rig the election. If I am right that there was fraud in this election, nothing the NRA or anyone else could do would have changed the outcome.