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powerboatr wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:01 pm

srothstein wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:14 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:52 pm I’ve said it before,and I’ll say it again… It is highly likely that if we get into a war with a near-peer opponent in the not too distant future, we’re going to have our butts handed to us.

Historically, we have always had that happen for the first six months or so. It takes us that long to gear up and build the supplies we need plus train the new recruits. The question now is if we still have the capability to change over to the war time footing within that six month window. I think the American people CAN do it (as seen by the response to the 9-11 attacks), and I have strong doubts about our current administration having the willpower TO do it.

As with Viet Nam, if we lose it will not be the military that lost, but the politicians and the will of the people to fight.

not if it is an attack on the homeland soil. china and russia could completely take over in 6 months
congress would capitulate, brandon would be removed or surrender.
9/11 taught us or them that a few planes on a few targets really shut us down hard. not to be little what happened but it was only a handful of targets.
i fear people now days would stand around looking at each other, then looting, and finally realize the dust bunny just hit the fan as it were

if its off soil, sure we could ramp up..but i suspect the next attack will be hackers, to completely disrupt our normal day to day via electric grid, banking, etc, then a full occupying attack from all four sides , dc , va , gulf coast and ca 1st wave. brandon would fail to take action or fail to acknowledge the threat, and we would be in the soup before we knew it. it would fall back on us to protect ourselves and community. pure chaos for a bit

I tend to agree with the scenario of a hacker attack to disrupt things before a military assault would occur. But I doubt a direct attack would succeed even then, partly because of "the gun behind every blade of grass." Yes, Congress and Brandon would capitulate at the first sign of violence, but there are too many of us individuals out here with guns that would defend our communities, both from the looters and the attackers.

For a direct attack on the US, I believe the movie "Red Dawn" shows a probable scenario - not kids but a lot of adults. Look at how much trouble the Russians just had in taking over Ukraine, especially the counter-offensive that was launched. Remember that we (the Green Berets) trained them in how to do this (and I still have trouble believing Obama allowed that) and how many of our vets have similar knowledge. Yeah, we are getting old but vets of my generation would still fight that same way. And I have a lot of doubts about the Chinese military being as dedicated to the fight as we have been led to believe if it is on our soil. We have infected their culture too much.

I do see WWIII coming, but I do not see the US losing it as quickly as some think. Even if Brandon surrendered, too many of us will never do so.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:52 pm I’ve said it before,and I’ll say it again… It is highly likely that if we get into a war with a near-peer opponent in the not too distant future, we’re going to have our butts handed to us.

Historically, we have always had that happen for the first six months or so. It takes us that long to gear up and build the supplies we need plus train the new recruits. The question now is if we still have the capability to change over to the war time footing within that six month window. I think the American people CAN do it (as seen by the response to the 9-11 attacks), and I have strong doubts about our current administration having the willpower TO do it.

As with Viet Nam, if we lose it will not be the military that lost, but the politicians and the will of the people to fight.