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by stevie_d_64
Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:03 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Mother gets mugged in front of her 4 kids in Ft. Worth
Replies: 35
Views: 6976

Be careful how you present this senario to you wives, girlfriends, moms etc etc...

I tried a very simplified version of this, set it up, gave simple specifics about the "potential" threat, and gave three clear options...No deviations...

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You see a larger than average "male" aggressively approaching you from about 50 feet away, you are in a lit parking lot coming out of the Sam's Club (after the door checkers checked your reciept, yeah I embellished this part from another discussion :lol: ) You are pushing a cart and have your firearm holstered in your favorite spot...

The man is closing rather quickly and has made no deviation from his closing in on you, distance is now 25 feet, he's looking right at you...You reasonably determine this to be a threat of unknown potential or intent by this person...

(Your options are)

a. Scream STOP at this point, keep the cart between you and the threat, start backing away, and cover your weapon, no draw at this point...

b. implement "a" and draw your weapon, do not fire...

c. implement "a" "b" and fire to stop the threat...

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I only presented the three options and didn't specify the reaction of the threat to those three reactions...

Of course "c" would result in obvious reaction of that threat...And that being the last option anyway...

The other two "a" "b", the threat stops, and either runs away at the sight of a gun, or raises hands and says "I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to scare you...There was a car behind you that looked like they didn't see you and I thought you were about to be hit..."

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We talked about unexpected variables in this and couldn't come up with a simple answer to this...

I believe it ends up being a situation where you'd better have your head on a swivle, be ready to react appropriately, and better assess any threats within 50 feet of you 360 degrees around you...

There is a majority of good people out there, but the bottom line is no one should ever assume anything...

Playing it cool, tends to keep you from getting into trouble...Just don't look "too much" like your trying to play it cool... ;-)

This goes for the males as well...

There's also a lot of ways to go on this, and talking it out, working certain generic responses, and plans seem to work out best...It requires a custom fit to anyones personal levels of comfort...There is no one clear fix for this...But the solution we carry is final, and its a responsibility we need to accept as well as be prepared to be accountable for that as well...
by stevie_d_64
Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:58 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Mother gets mugged in front of her 4 kids in Ft. Worth
Replies: 35
Views: 6976

HighVelocity wrote:If you're walking in a parking lot and a stranger is approaching you, that is a threat until proven otherwise.
I agree with this part...But...
Had she produced a pistol before he got to her and the man backed off, would she have found herself in legal trouble if the man turned out to be anything but a threat?
I am not being sarcastic, that is a serious question.
My serious answer would be that if the "threat" backs down, you acted appropriately...

You reasonably determined that it was a threat to you at that time...You reasonably determined the only way to stop that threat considering the circumstances, conditions, and the manner of the approach of the threat, was to draw your weapon...I think this has to happen more often than not...2.5 million times a year seems to ring a bell...I find it difficult not to believe some of those defensive uses were based upon a percieved threat that turned out to be mistaken...No shots fired, everyone apologizes, and you go on with your life...

If she had her wits about her, why would you or anyone want to assume a man approaching a woman in this manner would back down with a verbal warning in this day and age??? Without the capability of a woman displaying the means to back that warning up???

In this case she was not armed, nor in any state of awareness to defend herself...Thats what her problem was...

If the threat backs off in this hypothetical case, then they should have been aware that their own posture and presense could have appeared to be threatening to someone they saw, or maybe didn't notice till it was too late...

I will not condemn a woman in this day and age, if the situation we are expanding upon was similar...And they drew on a perceived threat...Hopefully that action stops the threat, and no shots are fired...But if the threat is real and continues...They are prepared to deal with it...

Sorry I ran off with this one...

But this is just my opinion...
by stevie_d_64
Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:31 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Mother gets mugged in front of her 4 kids in Ft. Worth
Replies: 35
Views: 6976

Welcome to the real world...

Another example for a reason to not "purse" carry...But I fully understand the difficulties surrounding options and challenges for women to carry in the first place...

I guess the golf cart security didn't really work out this time either...

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