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by stevie_d_64
Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:19 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: We are the enemy
Replies: 43
Views: 2822

Re: We are the enemy

Students should come to the class proficient in the firearm they are using. There are many 'newbies' who think that they are going to learn to shoot in the CHL class. It is not designed that way. There is a need for instructors who are proficient at relaying the material to their students.
'Bout hit it on the head there...

What the student (newcomer) needs to absolutely understand is there is a lot more to learn and become more proficient at in this community, and that there is a plethra of individuals here, and elsewhere that are available to pick their brains (so to speak), for advice, direction, demonstration...

And even for folks who teach, there is always room to learn...
by stevie_d_64
Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:22 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: We are the enemy
Replies: 43
Views: 2822

Re: We are the enemy

Carrying a firearm for lawful self-defensive purposes is a lifestyle, one where a person who chooses to do so, must become a student of the law (in that, and possible other states)...

Become proficient in the use of a firearm (at least one)...

And always be willing, and accepting of additional instruction/ideas from peers and those who instruct firearm usage, safety and any updates to the state law, just in case things change...Basically getting the word out about changes to the law...That right there should be everyone's responsibility...

I for one love to talk shop, and never have ever claimed to be an expert in this community...It IS a lifestyle to me and my wife, my Dad, and those few I have been able to introduce into this fantastic community...

All that being said, if I see anything off-nominal in an instructors presentation, it is up to those of us who have been doing this thing since the get go to ask questions, make sure we are all on the same page, no one should be expected to remember every cotton pickin' thing about this law,but we need to make an effort to know as much as we can retain, and review the law from time to time to stay proficient in that capacity, along with range time to stay proficient in the use of at least one carry firearm...

It's really not that hard...I have found out that nothing works the best the first time, guns themselves, holsters, carry methods, go, no-go areas are always changing every two years or so...And it is our responsibility in between the classes (renewals) to stay up on these changes...

I say that the renewals can definitely be done in 4-6 hours inclusive of the range time...I believe the initial license class should remain upwards of 10 hours, and probably not need more than 8 to really, effectively deliver the material necessary to introduce the newcomers to this community to the lifestyle...

If the instructor is NOT delivering the material effectively enough, not maintaining control over the classroom, that is on them...My initial instructor was a guy I worked with at NASA years ago...Good class, but I never renewed thru him, my first renewal was thru a guy some of us knew back in the day in our area that was extremely sloppy, unprofessional, and didn't do things that even a rookie such as I could tell was not up to the current standards at that time...That instructor is no longer teaching the CHL anymore...Since thenI've gone to one guy,who has forgotten more about firearms than I'll ever know...

Firearms instruction can be misperceived as a luxury, I think instruction is priceless, you cannot access a value to it for what it is intended to do in this case...To save your life and the lives of others in the use of deadly force is ironic on the surface, but neccesary to preserve life...

Responsibility lies also with the user of firearms, and as a user you should be receptive to constructive critisism and learn from it, apply it, and move on...Pass on this knowledge to others, especially younger folks who are constantly bombarded with "anti" messages from our opposition...We see more and more of that everyday...

If an instructor believes they can deliver the material required by the state in a truncated schedule, then fine, but anyone who cannot, I would not condemn them for not being able to, teaching is a style in and of itself, and some people have delivery prowess, and some do not...Those who have trouble should be allowed to deliver in a timeframe that meets the material so that the information is complete for the student...if it takes 8-10 hours, then so be it...

Just my opinion...

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