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This is why I pretty much have it tattoo'd (attached/holstered) to my body...

I believe it is much harder for an (with all due respect for active and former LEO's in this and other forums like this who know the law) uninformed commissioned peace officer(s) to justify their actions in situations like this...

Most know I wouldn't give anyone a reason to believe I would react in a confrontational or unreasonable manner if treated like this, but I certainly would consider delaying my business to drop by the "office" to test the waters to see if I need to file a formal complaint in that jurisdiction...

And then again I certainly don't wake up thinking is this the day I get to try and screw someones career up??? Nope...I certainly don't...

There just seems to be some strange change in the winds of how some want to diminish the philosophy behind the moral and ethical reasonings of personal self-defence, however you choose to do so...

I must be on a tear today, I apologize...Something just punched the right button on me today...

da.suxor wrote:Carry or not, give up the CHL with your license. Avoid all unwanted confrontations.

Its a tough pill to swallow sometimes...And yes, there are conditions that excuse, or not require you to do so...

But since they got all those new-fangled computers in the cars now...

Might as well avoid it...

Either that, or just obey all the traffic laws, keep your vehicle in good working condition, and the odds are significantly reduced...

And we all know thats a long shot...Especially with me...

txinvestigator wrote:Billy Bob is mistaken, Steve.

Well my bud Billy Bob is a kind-hearted, well-intentioned citizen...Who married WAY outside his station a few years ago...

I think for the most part he had the right idea...Doesn't like to receive or dole out surprises...

But I do know what you mean...

I've come to a conclusion, that it is just amazing to me, that I have never actually heard from a CHL'er or any Law Enforcement Officer I know of anything (dangerous) actually happen during an official business encounter here in Texas...

I agree that both communities have gotten used to the idea that they know of the others existance, and that the growing pains are pretty much gone after ten years of this thing going on...

(Note: my sarcasm is not meant to insult or disrespect anyone in either group, it is only an observation)

For the life of me I just don't know how other states deal with this whole "notify" or not requirement in thier laws...Some states I hear actually don't require notification!

If I had a wish, I would wish that the notification requirement would go away in Texas law...But that the credentials still come up on the "check" that LEO's do everytime they conduct official business with the public...

At which time, I am sure it STILL will not be an issue, in the business being conducted at that time...

I can imagine a water-cooler conversation going like:

[Billy-Bob] "Do you remember when we had to notify Law Enforcement that we had a CHL, whether we were carrying or not?"

[Rufus] Yeah, that did create some exciting moments didn't it!"

[Billy-Bob] Yeah, you said it! Hey Steve! ("WHAT!"), do you remember that stuff?"

[Steve "the wiseman"] Yeah, that requirement (in the law) sure did create this un-necessary mistrust and uncomfortable interactions between the citizens and Law Enforcement, it wasn't an everyday thing, and real incidences were not really too bad, "outcome wise", until we got that whole issue resolved in the 2007 session..."

[Billy-Bob] Yeah, you got that right Steve!

[Rufus] Yeah, Steve you da man!

(Steve gets back to work, because the boss is roaming)