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by stevie_d_64
Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:54 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: George R Brown Convention Center Houston - Offlimits to CC?
Replies: 26
Views: 5807

longtooth wrote:I didn't get it.
Check yer inbox...
by stevie_d_64
Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:43 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: George R Brown Convention Center Houston - Offlimits to CC?
Replies: 26
Views: 5807

I recall you saying that Charles...And it just amazes me to no end that the work around to the law is that the insurance companies compel promoters (gunshows) to break the law...

And the government turns a blind eye...

If someone could explain to me what authority an insurance company has over any of us...

I would surely like to know...

Because another deep-seeded belief I have is that insurance companies are inhierently evil...But for some reason the government forces me to pay restitution to this entity so that I can continue to pursue life, liberty and happiness...

Wait...I just got hit upside the head with this box...And it wasn't labeled "Vonage" (some of y'all might get that... ;-) )
by stevie_d_64
Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:29 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: George R Brown Convention Center Houston - Offlimits to CC?
Replies: 26
Views: 5807

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Except as expressly set out in TPC §30.06, a 30.06 sign cannot be used to exclude an armed CHL from government-owned property or property leased by the government. Renting or leasing government property to a non-governmental entity or a person does not change this. This issue came up during discussion on SB501 and the language of the statute is very clear. It is the ownership (or leasing) of the property by a governmental entity that is controlling.

The argument that a lessee can post a valid 30.06 sign has it’s origin in Texas property law. A lessee/renter generally assumes all of the rights and responsibilities of the owner of the property, subject to any limitations in the lease/rental contract. The lessee/renter also takes the property subject to any statutory limitations and/or responsibilities. For example, if I rent a building with intent to open a bar, I cannot do so if the building is in a “dry� county. It doesn’t matter what is contained in my lease contract with the building owner, I cannot do that which the owner couldn’t do. Here is another example. If I sublet my office space to another attorney and move to another building, he can do anything I could have done, i.e. he’s subject to the terms and limitations in my lease with the building owner. Even if my sub-lease with him expressly states that he can have a fireplace in his office, he is still bound by the limitations in my contract with the building owner that forbids any open flames in the office.

No property owner can transfer greater rights than they possess, whether the property owner is a private entity or person, or a governmental entity. This argument is routinely used to thwart the clear language of TPC §30.06, but it’s invalid. However, here is the obligatory attorney’s warning - there is no case law on point, so we’re still waiting on the test case.

Chas.
So then it is clear that the posting of a 30.06 sign at a gunshow event in the GRB is illegal or non-binding then...

So if it is discovered that you busted that sign by entering an area that has been posted improperly, they should still arrest you, charge you, and thus force you (Mr. or Mrs. Test Case) spend lots of money defending yourself against these false charges, to have the court finally rule on your behalf against something that should not have been posted in the first place???

Isn't there a legal proceding, like a "friend of the court" to float a hypothetical case, before a court, that would rule over a "case" like this, without a citizen proving the point???

Or am I barking up a tree with no squirrels in it???
by stevie_d_64
Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:47 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: George R Brown Convention Center Houston - Offlimits to CC?
Replies: 26
Views: 5807

Ahhh,

The "Texas CHL Ambiguity Clarification Act of 2007"...

Going to have to "further" define the relationship between:

- "events" whether it is a private or government function...

- "Facility" whether it is a private or government building, premises, grounds, etc etc...

- Rental, lease or other financial agreement to the use and purpose of the event or facility...And to whom is a part of that agreement...


I know I am being a bit sarcastic about this, and most of this stuff is fairly well taken care of already in the law...

Its these little nit-pickin' things that tend to irritate me slightly...

I know we are going to have a great session this next year...And I am very confident we are going to make some headway in getting some of this stuff ironed out...

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