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by stevie_d_64
Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:49 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carry into Post Office?
Replies: 17
Views: 7401

Here's the Kokinda opinion...

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/project ... kinda.html

Interesting...Even though its about First Amendment rights as it pertains to Solicitation, in regards to accessablity and premisis issues...

I find it difficult to imagine how hard it is to be a licensed individual who carries a handgun for lawful "self-defense" purposes, to not shoot anyone in a Post Office...

I can't imagine how hard that must be.../sarcasm

Remember, I have always felt that it has nothing to do with intent; its just another stupid, idiotic feel-good crapola Federal regulation...That does nothing to thwart a concerted effort by someone who's intent IS to do harm to others...

Therefore I choose to do as little, or zero business in facilities that are posted in this manner...

I'm sure that another assumption is that the people who support regulations, like this, assume people live to spend all day in facilities like this...And have nowhere else to be...
by stevie_d_64
Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:26 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carry into Post Office?
Replies: 17
Views: 7401

Bubba wrote:
GlockenHammer wrote:... snip Fed law (18 usc 930) prohibits your gun (and knife with blade longer than 2-1/2 inches, I might add) from entering the BUILDING. No sign is required at all... snip
OH NO !
I'm a criminal, a scumbag, a terrorist ! :roll:

Maybe if I grind about 1/2 inch off the tip of my Benchmade pocket knife, then I can become a member of society again. :lol:
Assume the position...Smile! :lol:
by stevie_d_64
Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:30 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carry into Post Office?
Replies: 17
Views: 7401

GlockenHammer wrote:You can hypothetical yourself to death, but here's my thoughts on this one.

Both 18 USC 930 and 39 CFR 232.1(l) need to be addressed.

18 USC 930 (which applies to any and all federal facilities) specifically defines the area in which weapons are prohibited as "a building or part thereof". My interpretation of this is the part of the building that meets the other criteria (e.g., owned or leased by the Fed Gov where Fed employees are regularly present for work.) This means any other part of the same building/complex/mall would not be off limits because there was a post office embedded in it. At least one Goverment agency claimed that the parking lots were "part of the building" and therefore made guns in parking lots illegal (they later found a similar CFR and dropped this ludicrous opinion).

39 CFR 232.1(l) applies to "all real property under the charge and control of the Postal Service, to all tenant agencies, and to all persons entering in or on such property". Since your case stipulated "If a Post Office facility is attached or within another facility that conducts public business outside the function of the Post Office", the deciding factor would be who controls that larger real property. If that isn't the postal service, the CFR would not apply.

Just my humble opinion. There is a dearth of case histories on these points as I mentioned in my earlier posts.
You hit it square on the head muh man...
by stevie_d_64
Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:33 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carry into Post Office?
Replies: 17
Views: 7401

Here's a hypothetical...oyyy...

If a Post Office facility is attached or within another facility that conducts public business outside the function of the Post Office...Those facilities that are not off-limits to people who are licensed under the Texas CHL or reciprical States who are conducting "lawful business"...etc etc...

Would you think the US Code or CFR's apply and restrict in that case???

This hypothetical was posted by someone else I recall about a billion years ago on another forum...

The discussion/debate was about premises, common facility, etc etc...

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