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by stevie_d_64
Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:23 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

bdickens wrote:I saw in the Houston Comical today that Sen. Cornyn has issued a statement that he will vote "no" on Sotomayor. :thumbs2:
Yes, his "no" vote is a good thing...But if you look closely at his statement he said he is doing so with great regret and sadness...

When I saw that yesterday it was very late in the day and no one was in his D.C. office or his local Houston district office to answer my question about why he is regretful and sad about this...

I am not impressed...I am sure him clarifying this concern I have will temper my dissapointment in the statement he made on this issue...
by stevie_d_64
Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:20 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

Drewthetexan wrote:
stevie_d_64 wrote:
Abraham wrote:No wonder the young are disgusted with our system.
And they are very susceptable to "progressive" and "empathetic" reasonings dispite the law, the Constitution and common sense...

Life experiences, emotions, social justice, etc etc...Those are the paths to destruction of civilized, logical and sensible society...

I am certainly not a perfect person...Yet I understand that I am totally responsible and accountable for my actions...Something seriously lacking in some of the yutes around the world today...
There is a phenomenon occuring now where the parents of today's youth are actually impeding their children's sense of responsibility and accountability. They are called helicopter parents because they constantly hover about their kids, making decisions for them, sheltering them, and keeping them from actually experiencing life the way it is - cruel, unforgiving, and relentless. more info here. Perhaps these parents need lessons in responsibility and accountability, particularly if they are to rely on the decisions of their children some time down the road?

I'd argue that life experiences are integral to good leadership. I believe that the framers of the Constitution also believed this, else why have age requirements to hold office? Life experience, amongst a host of other factors, gives us perspective. And the broader our perspective, regarding politics, the better equipped we are to make sound decisions concerning the wide range of your constituents' interests.

In the case of The SCOTUS, there is some insularity between the immediate interests of the people and a duty to uphold the Constitution. That's why they get lifetime appointments. But they still need some real, formative experience to help shape their views and understanding of the intent of what was written in the Constitution. If interpreting case law was an easy, cut and dried thing, we wouldn't have a supreme court.
I would agree that life experiences are integral to good leadership skills, only so much to be able to effectively carry on those duties and be able to mentor others to take on leadership responsibilities...

When it comes to making decisions like a judge though...Those emotions and experiences do not, and should not, be applied in any way shape or form to the duties you must be responsible and accountable for as a justice...

Considering all the cases she has presided over that have been overturned by higher courts, this is indicative of a poor application of "legal" precidence, and poor judgement...
by stevie_d_64
Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:48 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

Abraham wrote:No wonder the young are disgusted with our system.
And they are very susceptable to "progressive" and "empathetic" reasonings dispite the law, the Constitution and common sense...

Life experiences, emotions, social justice, etc etc...Those are the paths to destruction of civilized, logical and sensible society...

I am certainly not a perfect person...Yet I understand that I am totally responsible and accountable for my actions...Something seriously lacking in some of the yutes around the world today...
by stevie_d_64
Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:33 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

Purplehood...

I believe that those 3 words were what PW posted..."I don't know..."

I agree, that does soften the position somewhat...

I my experience, if you use the phrase, "I don't know." it was an accepted form of, "...If I don't know, and I had better go find out where to find the answer!" to the people I work for (or used to)...

Most of us realize she is not going to be an asset for the country beyond empathetic, "life-experiences" applying, liberal biased opinions on cases coming before the court...There is no denying that, and no reason to gloss that fact over...And that position extends WAYYYY out of the scope on Second Amendment issues...We already know whare she will fall on that...

Let me be the first to say 4 words..."I told you so" :cheers2: :thumbs2:
by stevie_d_64
Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:12 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

Purplehood wrote:Sounds like every former female in-law that I ever had.

/shrug

I just can't get bothered over it. And I sure don't see it as any kind of disqualifier for SCOTUS.
Look up...Look down... :smilelol5: :thumbs2:
by stevie_d_64
Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:09 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

Alan gets full credit for this one, I thought everyone should enjoy these little nuggets...


Sotomayer Overlooks All 14 Supreme Court Self-Defense Cases

High Court has examined every aspect of self defense
Entire nation falsely believes the issue has never come up

For Immediate Release: Sotomayer Misses All 14 Self Defense Cases

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 21, 2009

by Alan Korwin, Co-Author
Supreme Court Gun Cases

In Congressional testimony, Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayer claimed she couldn't think of a self-defense case having come before the Supreme Court, adding, "I could be wrong, but I can't think of one." Independent research shows that fourteen separate Supreme Court cases, from 1895 to 1985, addressed every basic aspect of personal self defense. All of them held that self defense is a valid, justifiable and long-standing tenet of American law.

The Bloomfield Press book "Supreme Court Gun Cases" (Kopel, Halbrook, Korwin), released in 2003 and in the Supreme Court's library, covers the 92 High Court gun cases in existence at that time. Four additional gun cases (plus the original 92) are included in the followup, "The Heller Case: Gun Rights Affirmed," released in 2008. The fourteen cases that directly address self defense are summarized below in Q&A format. Full summaries of the cases are found in "The Heller Case" book, http://www.gunlaws.com/hc.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, and the cases themselves can be linked to from the Scottsdale, Ariz.-based company's website, http://www.gunlaws.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, using the National Directory button.
The brief index below is a convenient research and navigation tool, and a way to set the record straight on what the Court has already done. Read the entire case for a thorough understanding of each one.

The news media, pundits, Congress and Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayer have unfortunately exhibited complete ignorance of these cases, and public policy is harmed by that lack of knowledge.

The Supreme Court has recognized, addressed and answered all the most fundamental questions about self defense. The idea that they have never addressed this core American issue is completely false, as the numerous cases clearly demonstrate. The news media is encouraged to correct any misconceptions that may exist on this subject and in Ms. Sotomayer's sworn testimony.

IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER:

KEY: Name Date Citation Page

Acers v. United States 1896 164 U.S. 388 238
Is fear of a deadly attack, without reasonable demonstrated grounds for the fear, sufficient to support a claim of self defense [NO]; Must the danger be immediate [YES]; Can any object be considered as a deadly weapon depending on how it was used [YES].

Alberty v. United States 1896 162 U.S. 499 231
If a husband sees another man trying to get into his wife’s room window at night is it natural for him to investigate further [YES]; Is the husband under a duty to retreat when attacked with a knife under such circumstances [NO]; May the husband use only as much force as is necessary to repel the assault [YES]; If in an ensuing confrontation the husband shoots and kills the other man, then flees, must his flight in and of itself be seen as evidence of his guilt [NO].

Allen v. United States 1896 164 U.S. 492 241
Are words alone sufficient provocation to justify an assault [NO]; Are words alone sufficient to reduce murder to manslaughter [NO]; Can premeditation and intent to kill be determined from your actions [YES]; Although flight after a possibly criminal event may suggest guilt, does it prove it conclusively [NO].

Allison v. United States 1895 160 U.S. 203 216
Is it reasonable to believe that you’re in immediate deadly danger if a person, known to be abusive, known to carry a pistol, and who has made public threats against your life, makes a motion as if to draw down on you, even if it turns out he wasn’t armed at the time [YES]; If there is no corroborating evidence besides your testimony, may the jury decide to take your word for it and acquit based on your credibility [YES]; If you have your deer rifle with you while visiting a friend’s house and your adversary shows up, and in an ensuing confrontation you shoot him, can the judge instruct the jury that you’re guilty of murder if you armed yourself to go hunt down your adversary, when there is no evidence to support this claim [NO].

Andersen v. United States 1898 170 U.S. 481 255
If an indictment is brought charging that a defendant shot and then threw a victim’s body into the sea, so the exact cause of death cannot be known, is the indictment flawed and invalid [NO]; Do the elements of self defense have to be present for an accused person to successfully claim self defense [YES].

Beard v. United States 1895 158 U.S. 550 208
Can you stand your ground with a shotgun against an unprovoked armed attack on your property near your home [YES]; Is there a greater duty to retreat on your own property than in your house [NO].

Brown v. United States 1921 256 U.S. 335 285
Is there a duty to retreat when attacked by a man with a knife [NO]; Believing you’re in a mortal conflict, if you fire a shot in the heat of combat, which in cool reflection later may be seen as unnecessary, may you still be acquitted on grounds of self defense [YES]; Is your right of self defense roughly similar in your home, on your land, and at your work [YES]; Can detached reflection be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife [NO].

Gourko v. United States 1894 153 U.S. 183 189
If you shoot someone who has repeatedly threatened you, and the circumstances of the shooting are not found to be justifiable as self defense, does the fact that you armed yourself in response to the threat automatically make the shooting murder (as opposed to manslaughter) [NO].

Logan v. United States 1892 144 U.S. 263 180
Does the 2nd Amendment guarantee a preexisting right recognized by the Constitution, and not a right created by the Constitution [YES]; Is a prisoner in legal custody entitled to protection “while he is deprived of the ordinary means of defending and protecting himself” [YES].

Rowe v. United States 1896 164 U.S. 546 247
If a man is provoked into making a minor assault on someone, and then backs off in good faith, is his right to self defense restored if the person he assaulted attacks him with a deadly weapon? [YES]; Is he required to retreat under such circumstances [NO]; Is he under an obligation to try to only wound an attacker when fighting for his life [NO]; Can either party in a mutual combat claim self defense [NO].

Starr v. United States 1894 153 U.S. 614 196
If a law officer legally serving a warrant shoots at a suspect without identifying himself, is the suspect justified in shooting back and killing the officer in self defense [YES].

Tennessee v. Garner 1985 471 U.S. 1 428
Is the use of deadly force by police to prevent the escape of all felony suspects constitutionally unreasonable [YES]; Is the use of deadly force by a police officer permissible under the 4th Amendment, if necessary to prevent the escape of a felony suspect who threatens the officer with a weapon, or if there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, if, where feasible, some warning has been given [YES].

Thompson v. United States 1894 155 U.S. 271 203
Does arming yourself after being threatened, and then traveling the only road in the area where you know your adversary may be, turn a subsequent shooting of the adversary during a confrontation into murder? [NO]; Is arming yourself for legitimate self defense premeditation [NO].

Wallace v. United States 1896 162 U.S. 466 224
Is it up to the jury to decide whether a homicide is murder, manslaughter or justifiable [YES]; Does a perfect right of self defense require blamelessness in the confrontation and an act of necessity only [YES]; Can you claim self defense if you had intentionally brought about a lethal conflict [NO]; Is it up to the jury to decide whether you armed yourself defensively or otherwise [YES]; Is it murder if you enter a quarrel without felonious or malicious intent, and then, under reasonable belief of imminent mortal danger, you kill the assailant [NO]; Does the fact that you deliberately go and arm yourself, for self defense or other innocent purpose, turn a subsequent shooting necessarily from manslaughter to murder [NO].
Oh yeah, she knows her stuff!!! /sarcasm
by stevie_d_64
Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:20 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

jimlongley wrote:An intelligent person would not have answered a question about the right to self defense by citing NY State laws, knowing, that first, the citation would be limited in scope, not applicable in a SCOTUS setting, and second that everyone with any intelligence would see right through her avoidance.
Well, I am going to go against the grain here and say she is sharp as a tack on these issues...She is exactly what Obama wanted...

She is drawing ire from us and many other single issue people, and any attacks on her can immediately be labled as racist...Perfect liberal political play...And the state controlled media will lap that up like grape kool-aid in Gayana...

This goes to my basic premise...If you do not understand, or in this case, fully understand how to destroy a inalienable, moral right as this is, I have no use for you in any capacity as a politician (elected official) apointed or elected, or even a citizen...

Yep, that pretty harsh, but then again...Its just me...
by stevie_d_64
Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:10 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

Purplehood wrote:Touche. And whats wrong with a little bit of Latina-pride?
Being proud of your race and heritage has absolutely nothing to do, or should it influence, how you do your job as an associate justice of the Supreme Court of these United States...period...

But it is certainly a necessary thing to discuss to cloud over "other" more applicable issues on a confirmation like this...And the majority is certainly using that to their advantage...

Of course having a junior senator ask a question about a Perry Mason TV show is certainly an applicable question to ask... :leaving
by stevie_d_64
Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:02 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

mr.72 wrote:
Purplehood wrote:She is also exceedingly skilled at avoiding giving an answer to a direct question.
That is a valuable quality for a politician, but thoroughly unacceptable for a Supreme Court justice.
BINGO!!!

:thumbs2: :thewave :hurry: :hurry: :hurry: :hurry: :hurry: :hurry:
by stevie_d_64
Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:57 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

Hushpuppies with a hint of malt vinegar... :thumbs2:

Like mmmmmm, thats good, but its going to make me fat...

:smilelol5:

I know...Shut up Steve... :lol:
by stevie_d_64
Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:55 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

Re: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

Regardless if my mind was already made up on her nomination, I do not believe for a second that she is material for a Supreme Court justice...

And this covers a lot of other issues besides the Second Amendment...

I know Senator Cornyn got in a shot at her before Coburn did, and I have not seen the transcripts to that...

I received a letter from Senator Cornyn last week about this committee hearing...He was being a good politician and basically signaling that he will let her dig her own hole...I am sure he is a "no" vote on this, but he had to appear amiable to the process...

Personally and politically I am wondering if President Obama thought this nomination was going to be a Red Herring??? I believe he misplayed this one thinking there wouold not be this much opposition to this nomination...If she is confirmed, that is not going to be a surprise...But if she is beat down by the process and not confirmed, that is going to be interesting to see who and what he offers up on the next one...

And remember, he is very likely to get two more nominations because of Ginsburg and Stevens being ill, and the other being older than dirt... ;-)
by stevie_d_64
Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:47 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor
Replies: 80
Views: 8364

UPDATE: Coburn vs. Sotomayor

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl699" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was a battle of wits between GOP Sen. Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative senators, and the nominee. Who won? Tell us: @reply us on @AP_Courtside on Twitter.

Here's a capsule: Coburn, a strong advocate of individual gun ownership, found an intriguing way to question Sotomayor on that issue. First, he asked her how she could consider that the right to privacy (not mentioned in the Constitution) is settled law but the right to keep and bear arms (the Second Amendment) as unsettled.

Sotomayor started with her usual answer that judges don't make law. And she noted that the federal government and many states have laws restricting guns, such as possession of firearms by felons. Then the sparing got more interesting.

"Do I have a right to personal self-defense?" Coburn asked.

Sotomayor: "That's an abstract question."

Coburn: "That's what the public wants to know. Yes or no? Do we have that right?"

The judge thought for a moment, then came up with an answer based on her experience as a New York City prosecutor: "If there's a threat of serious injury you can use force. How imminent is the threat? If the threat is in this room and I go home get a gun and come back and shoot you, that may not be legal under New York law."
the most assinine answer I have ever heard to this question...

Coburn: "What the American people want to see is what your gut says."

Sotomayor said that's not how judges decide cases.
she cannot fall on the knife edge of the issue...She cannot, not that she wants us to have the INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms, have it both ways...Even thought we know she does not want you or I to be able to do so...

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