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by stevie_d_64
Sat May 02, 2009 5:54 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Swine flu
Replies: 67
Views: 9525

Re: Swine flu

Got this update.

Dr. Marcus Gitterle, M.D. 600 N Union Ave
Christus Santa Rosa Hospital - New Braunfels
New Braunfels, TX 78130

Specialties
Family Practice

Emergency Medicine

After I returned from a public health meeting yesterday with community leaders and school officials in Comal County and Hays County, Heather suggested I send an update to my patients in the area, because what we are hearing privately from the CDC and Health Department is different from what you are hearing in the media. Some of you know some of this, but I will just list what facts I know.

- The virus is infectious for about 2 days prior to symptom onset

- Virus spreads more than 7 days after symptom onset (possibly as long as 9 days) (this is more unusual than ordinary flu)

- Since it is such a novel (new) virus, there is no “herd immunity,” so the “attack rate” is very high. This is the percentage of people who come down with a virus if exposed. Almost everyone who is exposed to this virus will become infected, though not all will be symptomatic. That is much higher than seasonal flu, which averages 10-15%. The “clinical attack rate” estimation from CDC and WHO may be around 40-50%. This is the number of people who show symptoms. This is a huge number. It is hard to convey the seriousness of this to those outside of the medical fields.

- The virulence (deadliness) of this virus is as bad here as in Mexico, and there are folks on ventilators here in the US, right now. This has not been in the media, but a 23 month old in Houston is fighting for his life, and a pregnant woman just south of San Antonio is fighting for her life. In Mexico, these folks might have died already, but here in the US, folks are getting Tamiflu or Relenza quickly, and we have ready access to ventilators. What this means is that within a couple of weeks, regional hospitals will likely become overwhelmed.

- Some of the kids with positive cases in Comal County have had more than 70 contacts before diagnosis as a minimum figure.

- There are 10-25 times more actual cases (not “possible” cases — actual), than what is being reported in the media. The way they fudge on reporting this is that it takes 3 days to get the confirmatory nod from the CDC on a given viral culture, but based on epidemiological grounds, we know that there are more than 10 cases for each “confirmed” case right now.

- During the night, we crossed the threshold for the definition of a WHO, Phase 6 global pandemic. This has not happened in any of our lifetimes so far.. We are in uncharted territory.

- They are advising President Obama to declare an emergency sometime in the next 72-96 hours. This may not happen, but if it doesn’t, I will be surprised. When this happens, all public gathering will be cancelled for 10 days minimum.

- I suggest all of us avoid public gatherings. Outdoor activities are not as likely to lead to infection.. It is contained areas and close contact that are the biggest risk.

- Tamiflu is running out. There is a national stockpile, but it will have to be carefully managed for law enforcement and first responders as it is not enough to treat the likely number of infections when this is full-blown. I don’t think there is a big supply of Relenza, but I do not know those numbers. If I had to choose, I would take Relenza, as I think it gets more drug to the affected tissue than Tamiflu.

(I am not buying into this bit of news...More than likely this is an attempt to keep a run on this medication down, that is why the stockpiles are in undisclosed locations under guard)

- You should avoid going to the ER if you think you have been exposed or are symptomatic. ER’s south of here are becoming overwhelmed today— and I mean that — already. It is coming in waves, but the waves are getting bigger.

- It appears that this flu produces a distinctive “hoarseness” in many victims. The symptoms, in general, match other flu’s; namely, sore throat, body aches, headache, cough, and fever. What is not too common in regular flu cycles is vomiting and diarrhea which seems to be associated with this, further dehydrating victims. Some have all these symptoms, while others may have only one or two.

- N-Acetyl-Cysteine — a nutritional supplement available at the health food store or Wimberley Pharmacy, has been shown to prevent or lessen the severity of influenza. I suggest 1200mg, twice a day for adults, and 600mg twice a day in kids over 12. It would be hard to get kids under 12 to take it, but you could try opening the capsules and putting it on yogurt. For 40 pounds and up, 300-600 mg twice a day, for less than 40 pounds, half that.

- Oscillococinum, a homeopathic remedy, has been vindicated as quite effective in a large clinical trial in Europe, with an H1N1 variant. You can buy this at Hill Country Natural Foods, or the Wimberley Pharmacy.


I will try to keep everyone posted if I have any new information. Meanwhile, don’t be afraid, stay informed and try to avoid infection. The fewer people infected the easier it will be for our public officials to manage it.

If any of my patients become ill, or suspect infection, call the office, do not come without calling and DO NOT go to the ER. If one member in a family is identified all would be given the Tamiflu or Relenza (that is normal course of action) if there is enough distributed to fill prescriptions. Public health stated that one family member identified or suspected to have contracted the flu it will require the whole family to be quarantined in their own home until enough time has passed for the remaining household to have contracted it or be considered infection free ( 7 to 10 days per person). As another suggestion, if any member of the family is on routine medication- fill those prescriptions now. Have plenty fluids, Motrin, soups, etc available and make contingency plans in case your family is affected.
Take this for what it is worth...The homepathic treatments "bolded" above in the information here seem to work, but only when you start getting symptomatic...It does not do any good to dose up before that happens...Those items can be found at GNC's or HEB grocery stores...The L-Cysteine should be mixed with yogurt for the two daily doses...Works like a spoonful of sugar in this case...

With any advice, check with your doctor...

I did, and they said there is some merit to this...

There will be a run on this stuff by this weekend...
by stevie_d_64
Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:50 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Swine flu
Replies: 67
Views: 9525

Re: Swine flu

Biga9999 wrote:If nothing happens, you are called paranoid. If something happens, you are called prepared. :)

TheArmedFarmer wrote:
fredtubbs wrote:I'm not a survivalist at all, but I am a realist.
Survivalism gets a bad name by the people who prefer to ignore signs of coming threats, and when needed to rely on government or the charity of others. Aesop called them the grasshoppers and for most of history, such people were seen as lazy or irresponsible.

This swine flu is one of dozens of threats that could affect us on a personal level. As we learned in Boy Scouts, it just makes good sense to be always prepared. For those of us with families, it is a duty.
Ahah!!! My tagline says it all...

BTW, since the news has just broke about two deaths that are POSSIBLY attributed to this virus...And that the cases of the virus has expotentially increased as of the last hour in NY...

I would venture that a national effort to end the school year, right now, would get the interaction between the kids that are infected, and those that are not will break the transmission chain...

Pandora's box is unfortunately opened (ironically), and this appears to be the only way to get in front of this problem...
by stevie_d_64
Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:37 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Swine flu
Replies: 67
Views: 9525

Re: Swine flu

HighVelocity wrote:Baconitis
I only got the frying pan upside my head once today (that I can remember) for sneezing, and giving a good ole "oink" afterwards...Instead of stars...I saw pigs flying...But I kept that revelation to myself... ;-)
by stevie_d_64
Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:24 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Swine flu
Replies: 67
Views: 9525

Re: Swine flu

Not to downplay this, but the media is looking for the new "crisis" to bombard the unwashed masses about this issue...They do not know squat about this stuff, and anyone they bring on outside the real doctors and scientist finishing up the work already started on the "treatment", are full of it...Just because they make bad TV...

Yep, its dangerous, but the real danger lies in the knee-jerk reactions and statements by armchair doctors and other assorted media hacks are more so in situations like this...

Go to your doctor, get a quick checkup...Document where your body is (snapshot), and keep track of any changes...

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