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by stevie_d_64
Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:40 pm
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Topic: GITMO
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Re: GITMO

Frost wrote:Killing someone already detained without a just process is murder. Torturing them is a greater evil.

I am no legal scholar, but i will do my best to describe a just system. I believe that habeas corpus is too important to be suspended except when it is necessary to temporarily detain masses of people. A few hundred detainees over a period of years hardly qualifies. I believe probable cause that they are an enemy combatant would be satisfactory for turning them over to a military tribunal. If the tribunal finds them to be an enemy combatant they should be interrogated without torture and executed.

A process such as that should protect people from arbitrary state action and respect the inalienable rights of all people while not interfering with our ability to fight stateless enemies.
Killing a terrorist is a battlefield issue...They should not be afforded leniency or accomodation beyond the fact that they got caught instead of killed on the battlefield...

A detainee is someone who is executed, because we have well documented facts that the majority that are somehow released back into the food chain go back to becoming a threatr to us again...Granted what do they have to lose...So I say why waste the gas getting them back home if all they are going to do is pick up sticks again and be better terrorists???

You seem to want to give these terrorists some justification to exist just because they got caught...I do not agree with you on trying to give them a "just process"...They are not our countrymen, nor should they be afforded any considerations other than the 3 (kosher) hots and a (Egyptian cotton linens) cot, till we are done picking their brains...

These terrorist are part of a coordinated effort that have killed, and will continue to kill our friends and countrymen...That to me is a credible reason for me and anyone else who wants to continue to engage and destroy this threat to support efforts to get those results...
by stevie_d_64
Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:24 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: GITMO
Replies: 92
Views: 10346

Re: GITMO

Frost wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote:These are terrorist. They swear alegiance to a religious ideal.
Why are you certain that this is true for the every single one of the hundreds of detainees at GITMO?
anygunanywhere wrote:My position so we will be clear:
My disagreements with that position are relatively minor compared to a point you omitted. What would be a just process to determine that they are in fact terrorists?
Why do we flog ourselves to the point that it is imperative that we scrutinize ourselves (since we are reacting to the terrorist existence and actions) more than the aggressors who have preemptively engaged us??? I'm tired of some people trying to make nice and feel sorry for us finally taking the fight to those that attack us...

The number of terrorist we have in captivity, in my opinion is absolutely amazing...I always thought they would be better off being killed on the battlefield than be captured...

Like I mentioned earlier...Buy a few boxes of cheap Walmart priced white boxes, and take care of business...When the last terrorist is executed, close the facility...Then change the policy in the field to no terrorist retention longer than it is needed to rat out his/her buddies and then move on to them...

But alas, I do not believe a decisive policy will come about anytime soon, other than the policy to appease and coddle regimes and terrorist movements thinking they'll leave us alone after we make nice to them...

Anyone that believes that...Well...I can't post what I want to say about those types of people...
by stevie_d_64
Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:49 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: GITMO
Replies: 92
Views: 10346

Re: GITMO

Anygun and I think alike on this one, yet most of my verbage would be un-postable in this forum...

I say give them a "speedy" trial...And make sure you pick up a few white boxes of cheap ammo at WalMart to execute the sentences...

Call me silly, I believe in frugal jurisprudence... :patriot:

Go ahead, close the Gitmo detention center...But be ready for the ramifications, most of which are well documented that most of those released have recycled into the enemies ranks and have resumed fighting us...

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