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frankie_the_yankee wrote:Another thing that has been overlooked so far is that this guy apparently unloaded the gun when he stashed it in the car. Why would anyone do this? When I disarm, I simply take my holstered gun, fully loaded, holster and all, and stash it in a hidden place (like the glovebox, console, etc.). I don't unload it.

If someone were worried that their car might be broken in to at a particular location where they would have to leave it, they should just leave their gun at home (if they know they can't take it inside).

Nothing is gained by unloading it.

This is also why we have discussed at great length the methods to further slow down the inevitable thief in this case by getting a supplemental gunsafe in your vehicle or home...

Most folks here get the idea and we have had fantastic results from those discussions...

I think we do very well in that regard,but there is still a great majority outside discussions like this that don't...And thats ok, eventually something will happen to get folks to thinking about this type of security...

Another amazing and poorly written article of a shooting incident...

What amazes me is the assumptions of all the folks involved in this "investigation" that results in a rather quick demise of this persons freedom...

Sure, there is no doubt that the person shot themselves in the foot...I bet that hurt like the dickens! I'm sure they had a good time at the Brad Paisley concert, where I am sure there was nothing more than alcoholic beverages floating around there in some way shape or form...I don't think there was much puff-puff-passing going on there at that event...(just my opinion...)

The guy apparently was not carrying or in posession of a firearm while supposedly taking in "drink" (but that is certainly only a technicality)...

Also, when we hear of more serious incidences of supposed intoxication that involves the injury or death of people in an accident or other incident, the toxicology results (made public) are always many days or weeks after the incident...But in this case a guy comes in with a hole in his foot, they do a full panel screening on him, and boom...He is charged with being in possession of a firearm while intoxicated...

Never mind he was "first and foremost" behind the wheel of a vehicle preparing to start it and drive off in the "same" apparent level of intoxication....

The fact that he shot himself in the foot is only what stopped him from driving off and potentially having another type of incident if we are to believe the fast and furious results of this investigation...

Question...I have not had this happen to me, but if you are injured in a discharge of a firearm, (whether it is self-inflicted or not) and you are being treated at a hospital for that injury, is it common practice to automatically (without your concent "or warrant" while being treated) to have blood drawn for the specific purpose of determining intoxication and or being under the influence in this case???

Is probable cause enough to warrant the interruption (however slight) of critical medical treatment in any degree in an investigation like this???

I dunno...Sunday mornings tend to bring out some annoying tendencies in my deductive reasoning skills...Or something...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

I am not excusing the negligence on the part of the injured, nor am I being overly critical of the investigation...

What my concern is that the assumptions of the players involved is what is potentially driving a great many intrusions into our lives and we can't seem to get common sense, or respect for our rights to triumph over what is being chipped away more and more everyday...

When things like this happen the tone I see in the media and non-carrying public in general is a continued personification that all of us in this community are a bunch of drunk and irresponsible wannabees...