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Thanks for all those who posted. I had hoped that a group of people with the same goals could come up with a few good ideas to replace the thousands of ineffective and stifling gun laws we now live under. I assumed there may be some heated rhetoric and there was a little but i thank you for the polite albeit sometimes brief reply's. Maybe this shows in a small way that the general gun control debate will never be resolved. What I envisioned was a two part law one part The second amendment . A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed Finding a way that shows that you are one of the People that should not be infringed upon seems to be a tough nut to crack. Again thanks for the interest in the post.

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Next post will be Why Sigs are better than Glocks

I don’t think some of you understand the goal of the exercise. You have already been infringed, many of us for our entire lives. If you have a CHL you have agreed to be infringed upon by the state in exchange for the “right to carry concealed”. I’m looking for ways to unwind the years of incremental infringement that we have been fed year after year. We will not be able to loosen the control unless we take control.
We need to take control of the language, the political dialog, our representatives and the responsibility that the second amendment requires. Bumper stickers, platitudes and vocabulary lessons will no longer cut it. If you’re not a felon a lunatic or a drug addict then I don’t care if you buy a Thompson full auto M4 or a GAU 8. I prefer you have a secure way to store them and that is why I had idea # 2.

OK I have been away for awhile trying to show AEA Our German Shepherd. I probably phrased the original statement wrong. Instead of restricting our rights I wanted to encourage proposals and ideas of ways to easily determine those free law abiding citizens from the predatory vermin that stole my truck broke into my home, struck my daughter's car without stopping and ran head on into our van the wrong way on the freeway drunk without immigration papers or car insurance. Instead of assuming all laws are onerous I would like right minded representatives to propose options that further protect our rights. You know the libtards are always going to try to corrupt the language we use as freedom loving men IE marital equality, Gay rights, Right to choose or any of the dozens we hear every day. I know as a constitutional conservative my job is to keep the ball where it is and keep them from moving it as much as we can but I'm tired of this. We have let them move the ball so many times a little bit at a time that they are now in control of it. Every time we are under attack we pull the wagons in a circle and try to prevent as much change as possible I want to take the fight to them wright laws that favor the natural law abiding, self supporting citizens our nation was created by not those who misuse the Constitution and current laws to further their own ideas of paradise. If you have interpreted anything I have said as a way to further encumber our God given rights then you are wrong. Doing nothing and hoping for the best has got us where we are.
Thanks for allowing the RANT

OK now look at my avatar isn't that a good looking dog!

AEA wrote:You do not need a DL to prove identity. A State issued ID is available and acceptable by FFL's.

But, yes, I have a DL. But I want nothing to do with a DL having anything to do with my 2nd Amendment Constitutional RIGHT.

You start something like this and you hand the Dems more options to attack us. Several times already I have heard Drivers License and CHL or CWP or whatever mentioned on the Media and no one calls them out on the BIG DIFFERENCE of the two.

Is your ID # different From Your DL # ? By the way nice looking dog.

K.Mooneyham wrote:The solution is to quit mollycoddling the REAL bad-guys. I mean the ones who purposely use violence, whether with a firearm or not, for fun or profit. I don't do those things to others and I don't expect them to be done to me. Infringing on MY freedoms (or the freedoms of that vast majority of firearms owners who don't commit violent crimes) is NOT going to do one tiny little thing to make this a safer nation, not in the least. I just wish we had more than a few politicians in this country who had the guts to say that; most of them don't. They want to make, or buy into, these so-called "common sense" laws that ain't got a lick of common sense in them.

No argument there but do you think we can convince the "progressive" states to put teeth back into their enforcement and punishment. I'm trying to find tools for us to quickly easily and efficiently identify the good guys from the bad guys for various reasons. I bet you would admit that you would parole some felons but still prefer they not vote or purchase firearms. Maybe it could be separate from state ID or driver license but If I put one more card in my wallet my right leg will fall to sleep. Thanks for the comments and if Cavalry arms would send my midlength hand guards that I've been waiting over 2 weeks for my new upper I'd be wasting some of the .556 ammo I have been hoarding instead of trying to solve the world's problems.

Thanks again.

AEA wrote:I don't like the idea of linking Driver's License to anything that has to do with CHL, 2nd Amendment or any other RIGHTS of the Constitution.

One is a Constitutional RIGHT, the other is a State Issued Document.

You have no Constitutional RIGHT to a Driver's License.

See my point? Let's not start to lump two very different things together.....we have enough troubles already!

Thanks for the reply so I assume ( & you know what that does) you never buy new firearms through FFLs they require State approved Photo id I Guess We could make it more like a passport a federal document but I trust my State a bunch more than Washington. I don't like the Idea of using the Social security card as ID they even stated it was not ID on my original card no more, try opening a bank account without one! Big brother is here & is not going away The HAL 9000 is running I want us to be the one that wrights the code. ( did you like that a book and a film reference in the same sentence).

K.Mooneyham wrote:I'm already ticked off enough to have to constantly show "papers please". I'm not in favor of any more giant bureaucratic government schemes that will require untold billions more dollars of non-existent taxpayer money to build, implement and enforce. Once upon a time, before I was born I concede, you could buy a firearm by mail order and have it shipped to your house...somehow we still ended up with a prosperous nation. In fact, its only since they started really shoving all this bureaucracy on Americans that it seems things have really gone downhill...imagine that.

Sadly it was not before I was born that you could buy a firearm through mail order. Maybe that is something that could be reintroduced if this ID Card was enabled and how about a trusted traveler spot so we can go through airports without the hassle of body searches and the parade of the stocking footed travelers. I too miss the days when you enjoyed a 6 1/2 oz. coke in a glass bottle, real sudephed without signing a special card & real codeine in over the counter cough syrup. However sometimes We need to realize that Carbon tetrachloride is bad for you and that there are evil or irresponsible people that no longer have the rights that we enjoy. We as the " adults in the room" need to have the ability to determine who is who so that we can continue to act responsibly. The "liberal minded" in our government seem to think they have the ability and right control firearms purchases but not the illegal aliens in our country. I suspect they the Google company or other IT based information companys could provide with local, state & federal co-operation and updated E-Verify system that would easily verify our status as citizen as full and unencumbered, Limited by behavior ( convicted or currently under arrest) or alien status. I know it is easy to want it the way Grandpa said it was but there are genuine solutions to real problems . I in no way want to restrict the freedoms of honorable law-abiding citizens. Oh and the # 2 answer on my first post is partially because I need a bigger safe. Thanks for the input still looking for solutions.

I'm not too big on requiring but sure like encouraging. Trigger locks are slow to open not like a simplex pistol locker. They are also poor security not like a gunsafe. Plus anything California mandates I am suspicious of.

I have two Ideas to help prevent the next mass shooting at schools or other places.
Prebackground checks. Your state issues you a Driver’s license or ID card bio-metrically encoded with your information. This card could have simple codes corresponding to your eligibility for certain rights. For instance maybe a V spot voting a F spot for firearms E for employment W for welfare all prescreened and vetted to reflect that you have the full rights as a citizen or the limited rights of a legal resident. If you had a change in status the Judge could simply punch a hole in your card to remove this right, for instance a felon can no longer vote or own a firearm so the V & F would be punched out. This card could have a coded number that could be entered in a public database to determine if the cardholder’s status has changed and the card holder is holding a “lost card”. If you find someone trying to apply for a job without an E, Vote without a V, or buy a firearm without an F you simply report this to the authorities and collect half of the substantial fine that the offender has to pay for the offense. I don’t think this is over reaching since we already show ID when purchasing firearms and I for one want to see ID when selling unless I know you very well. This would be just a criminal background check, not the higher level of background used for CCL. This may need some fine tuning and fleshing out but as long as there are no recordings that you purchased and what it was unless you were in immediate violation I don’t think most of us would have an issue, I would even feel better if I had a better way to make sure I was selling to a qualified person.
Number 2 is much better. Most criminal and accidental gun injuries and deaths are the result of unauthorized use. The answer is a limited number of times in your life you may take a tax credit for a quality gun safe and handgun lock box or upgrade. If the woman whose Son was the shooter in the Sandy Hook elem. Shooting had her AR in a safe her mentally disturbed son would not have had access to it.
That’s all we need as responsible adults and citizens 1 the ability to determine who we are selling to and 2 some encouragement to secure our fire arms. I’m sure it’s not perfect let’s hear what you think.