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by BigGuy
Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:32 pm
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Re: A Ukraine and Russia post

philip964 wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:08 pm https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pre ... 05778.html

Franklin Graham condemned for saying pray for Putin.

As a Christian that’s what I was taught.

Putin changing his mind may be the only thing that saves Ukraine and potentially the rest of the world.
Boy, that's a hard one to sign on to, but I know it's right. I should pray for redemption more than vengeance. That's hard sometimes. God may be more receptive of a redemption prayer than a vengeance prayer.
by BigGuy
Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:51 pm
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Topic: A Ukraine and Russia post
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Re: A Ukraine and Russia post

parabelum wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:05 pm
Ruark wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:58 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:04 pm Peter Santenello has a YouTube channel where he investigates different types of communities and does human interest reports on the people who live there, and what their daily lives are like. He’s covered the Amish and Mennonites in Ohio, Muslims in Detroit, NYC gang life, Chicano culture in East L.A., immigration and the Texas/Mexico border, etc.

He lived in Ukraine for 4 years, reporting on things there, and returned to the US about a year ago. His wife is Ukrainian, and they have a number of friends both there, and in Russia. One gets the impression that he’s maybe a little bit left of center, but he’s not a whack job, and he scrupulously keeps politics out of his videos…which I have enjoyed and found interesting.
Interesting comments from him, thanks for posting it. A couple of points did sort of jump out. He talked about most Ukrainians being against the Russian presence - EXCEPT for people from some parts of the south and the east. Exactly. Those are the ethnic Russians, 14,000+ of whom have been killed over the past 8 years by Ukrainian radicals.

He also said "if Russia wins, there will be no Ukraine." Not true. Russia's mission in Ukraine is twofold: to stop the persecution of ethnic Russians in the south and east, which continues as you read this, and to demilitarize the country, because of the threat it poses if it ever joins NATO. The goal is for Ukraine to become a neutral country politically, without militaristic aspirations like it has today. Zelensky is horribly inflaming the situation, pretending to be some valiant Joan of Arc hero, and making everything worse and increasing the destruction and suffering.

If Russia wanted to "conquer" Ukraine, they could have easily steamrolled over it in a few days. They could have bombed Kiev into the stone age in a couple of hours. They haven't, simply because they're not interested in "acquiring" Ukraine in any way, shape or form. Russia wouldn't have Ukraine if you handed it to them on a silver platter.
I’ve lived through the war criminal Slobodan Miliosevic and his fellow Russian dictatorship comrades friend. Putin and the invaders are torching civilians, kids and everything that stands in the way, right now. They are evil, pure evil. What you type is straight out of Pravda. Those of us who lived directly through Russian aggression ain’t buying it pal. They are getting hammered in toe to toe fighting, so now it is civilian infrastructure destruction and psychological warfare they are after. By the way, their low rank soldiers by in large are not into this. I’m sure Pravda isn’t reporting though.
Putin is an evil communist bully, why be an apologist for this monster? Sorry to be personal, but what you’re typing might as well be coming from Kremlin directly, with all due respect.
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by BigGuy
Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:38 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: A Ukraine and Russia post
Replies: 170
Views: 36318

Re: A Ukraine and Russia post

03Lightningrocks wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:46 pm
BigGuy wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:11 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:35 pm
philip964 wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:18 pm
I saw that video on Fox News! Crazy stuff. What many forget about is that there were human beings on board that thing that were vaporized. Just saying it is a thought that goes through my mind. Imagine their last thoughts ever on this earth. It had to be OH Shoot!

My dad was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam that went down. All aboard were killed instantly. I see a video like that and think of him. As crazy as that may sound.
They were soldiers flying a military aircraft invading another country. I don't celebrate any death, but thy are extremely complicit in theirs. I'm much more saddened by the death of Ukrainian children and other civilians.
LOL... if you read anywhere in my post that I was saddened, you misread it. I was just pointing out that when we see a helicopter shot down or even a bombed out building, unless we see bodies laying around, it is easy to forget humans were involved.
Gotcha. Yep, it can be easy to get so wrapped up in a nationalistic idea that you overlook the human cost. Truth be told, I also thought about the wives, mothers, and children of those pilots. But at the end of the day, I'll trade them for the Ukrainians they would later kill.
by BigGuy
Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:11 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: A Ukraine and Russia post
Replies: 170
Views: 36318

Re: A Ukraine and Russia post

03Lightningrocks wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:35 pm
philip964 wrote: Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:18 pm
I saw that video on Fox News! Crazy stuff. What many forget about is that there were human beings on board that thing that were vaporized. Just saying it is a thought that goes through my mind. Imagine their last thoughts ever on this earth. It had to be OH Shoot!

My dad was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam that went down. All aboard were killed instantly. I see a video like that and think of him. As crazy as that may sound.
They were soldiers flying a military aircraft invading another country. I don't celebrate any death, but thy are extremely complicit in theirs. I'm much more saddened by the death of Ukrainian children and other civilians.

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