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cw3van wrote:

G26ster wrote:

TexasCajun wrote:The second amendment is a right and as stated should not be infringed. So obtaining and keeping a gun should be relatively simple. However, the right doesn't negate responsibility in that firearms owners should be responsible for knowing how to safely operate & keep their weapons.

CHL aside, if we are going by the strict wording of the 2A, even a complete amateur's right cannot be infringed. There is nothing in the 2A about responsibility or proficiency. Just like the 1A, even incoherent babble is protected speech. Just being devil's advocate, as I do agree with your sentiment.

We have to be careful about deciding someone shouldn't be able to have or carry a firearm. I've watched a lot of so called experts handling firearms in an unsafe manner trying to impress folks. Just my 2 cents worth.

Current state law in Texas says that both a written proficiency exam and a range proficiency exam must be passed in order to obtain a chl. So the standard for who is allowed to carry a handgun has already been set. There are also current state and federal laws that regulate the ownership possession of firearms, so again, the standard already exists. Right, wrong, or indifferent this is the current reality.

hitwsr wrote:I've never had anyone fail. However, I have pulled 1 or 2 off the line for further instruction and test later.
If the first 5 shots are head, belly, shoulder, white, and miss, then I probably will not let them continue.
Some students I have encountered become very nervous and intimidated around people and guns.
I'm sure you have all had the X member of X Military branch, etc that have been shooting before they were born;
well I have seen those same ninjas load ammo into their mags backwards and also have a hard time letting the slide go.
I can't imagine how they would react under a real threat or danger.

In those cases, one on one firearms instruction is a must before completing the CHL training.

For the life of me I can't understand how any instructor would think that it's a good idea to put a CHL into the hands of an extremely novice shooter. I get that there are a lot of factors that can be involved in why someone wouldn't run the first stage. But if you find it necessary to teach someone the basics of shooting before proceeding with the test, are you really doing that person (or the rest of us) any favors?

Next, I would hope that you are giving this extra instruction after the rest of your class has completed the course. I would be pretty steamed if I were in your class and you were holding up the process to coach one student through the range proficiency. Treating the chl class like a first shots instead of a proficiency demonstration is, in my opinion, wrong on a lot of levels.

G26ster wrote:

TexasCajun wrote:The second amendment is a right and as stated should not be infringed. So obtaining and keeping a gun should be relatively simple. However, the right doesn't negate responsibility in that firearms owners should be responsible for knowing how to safely operate & keep their weapons.

CHL aside, if we are going by the strict wording of the 2A, even a complete amateur's right cannot be infringed. There is nothing in the 2A about responsibility or proficiency. Just like the 1A, even incoherent babble is protected speech. Just being devil's advocate, as I do agree with your sentiment.

Incoherent babble is protected. Libel and slander are not. So again, an enumerated right comes with responsibility. Just as someone can be held accountable for what they say or write, we are held accountable for what we do with firearms. Neither is an infringement of said rights.

The second amendment is a right and as stated should not be infringed. So obtaining and keeping a gun should be relatively simple. However, the right doesn't negate responsibility in that firearms owners should be responsible for knowing how to safely operate & keep their weapons.

A CHL and carrying a concealed handgun, on the other hand, is not a right. I think it should be a one & done - if you take the class & fail either portion, go back & start the process all over again. The CHL class & test is a proficiency demonstration. The idea that people are using the chl class as a 'first shots' or as a 'learn to shoot' is absurd.
If someone tries and fails 3 times, then steering them to a more appropriate class would be in everyone's best interest.