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- Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:55 am
- Forum: The Crime Blotter
- Topic: "Sliders" a growing problem
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Re: "Sliders" a growing problem
In order to get out of the quagmire of minutia (burglary vs robbery vs theft vs etc), I suggest that this discussion would be much more beneficial if we took a step away from what you can legally do and take two steps toward what you should do. My carrying mindset is based on drawing and firing as an absolute last resort. If I can take an action or several that can keep me out of that last resort, you can bet your last dollar that that's what I'm gonna do.
- Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:21 am
- Forum: The Crime Blotter
- Topic: "Sliders" a growing problem
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Re: "Sliders" a growing problem
The current law (as enacted by elected representation) in Texas states that burglary during the day does not justify the use of deadly force. It doesn't change because you say it does. There was a time when stealing a horse was a quasi capital offense. That was because at that time in the remote areas of the country, not having a horse could put a man in a life or death situation. Stealing other livestock or other property was never treated as such.Sidewalk Justice? Justice is justice. Why should I have to worry about anything since I have broken no laws? Why do Curiminals have more rights than those who are not? Or perhaps, why are criminals protected? Horse thieves, chicken thieves and cattle rustlers were hanged for a reason. Property, Self Preservation (defense) and Liberty are those reasons. Those three things cannot stand alone or in pairs. One cannot exist without the other two. Two cannot exist without the last. Its all three or tyranny reigns. These three things are the basis of Law.
Who am I to judge if a woman's purse that contains money from her labor to feed her children is worth the life of a Criminal Thug who wishes to steal it in daylight or darkness? Who decides this? A Politician? A Mayor? You? Me? The Majority? Not our decision to make if justice will reign over all. It appears we have become very liberal with other peoples Property and Natural Right to exist. How about we stop imposing personal beliefs with the Mob Rule of Man and adopt the Rule of Law in this Republic as intended?
Looking at this from a "can I shoot" perspective is very limiting. There are a lot more options available with a "what can I do to prevent this from happening" approach. If you don't keep valuable easily accessible & lock your doors, "can I shoot" doesn't even come into play.
- Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:33 pm
- Forum: The Crime Blotter
- Topic: "Sliders" a growing problem
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Re: "Sliders" a growing problem
The idea behind the deadly force justification for burglary at night comes from the idea that during the daytime, it's easier to observe the thief & determine by observation whether they intend something other than simple burglary. At night, such observation would be limited. But rather than put the onus on the victim, our legislature (rightly) removed a possible loophole from the defense.rbwhatever1 wrote:Criminal Thugs preying on women. These "sliders" need to feel some immediate consequences for their actions or it will become much worse as they graduate to armed confrontation and who knows if they're armed or not until one is stopped. Thugs make a living by stealing from others. This is not a part time job for these miscreants, this is what they do. They sit around devising new ways to live off the backs of others like a career Politician.
So we are to sit back and let Chaos Rein. Let Thugs be Thugs unless it's dark outside. This is Ludicrous Legislation obviously based on the outdated criminal behavior of committing ones crime under cover of darkness. Now that these brazen thugs have graduated to committing their crimes anytime they see a target 24 hours a day anywhere they choose, we, as a Society of Law Abiding Americans, need to adapt and give them exactly what they deserve 24 hours a day.
Sliders on the mess deck...
As far as the rest of the hyperbole that this thread has generated, I would think that taking a simple extra measure of locking your car doors & being aware of your surroundings would be well worth the expense, time, & tremendous personal disruption that dispensing sidewalk justice would result in.
- Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:08 am
- Forum: The Crime Blotter
- Topic: "Sliders" a growing problem
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Re: "Sliders" a growing problem
And if the occupant would've had a son, he'd look like Johnny.....ddurkof wrote:There seems to be a bit of fantasy of catching these guys in the act and 10 ringing them. The reality hit when you sit down with a good criminal defense attorney who tells you, "After talking to the DA, I can get you a plead for five years in prison." It has been 1.5 years since that you shot little Johnny, whose friends claim he did it on a dare and the was going to give it back to you. You have spent several weeks in jail before making your $100K bond. You have sold every thing that you can, and your attorney is telling you that five years is the best he can get, and by the way he needs another $10,000.00. Oh, you want to take it to trial? He says that he will need another $100K. He will need to hire an jury expert for Voir Dire and a use of force expert to explain that you acted appropriately. But you have become a political hot potato, because little Johnny was not just another thug, but his family has political influence and his dad is out for your neck. AND he has the money and time to make it happen. When you ask your attorney how much more money is it going to cost, he shrugs and asks "How badly do you want to stay out of prison?"
You realize that you should have just locked the door and put the packages into the trunk, shooting little Johnnie was A BAD IDEA. HE WAS NOT A THREAT, thief yes, but not a threat.
Yea, the world is that screwed up.
- Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:03 pm
- Forum: The Crime Blotter
- Topic: "Sliders" a growing problem
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Re: "Sliders" a growing problem
Read the article. These are not attacks. They are essentially smash & grab without the smash.BStacks wrote:I have always figured that if someone tried to attack me while I was pumping gas they would get hosed down.
- Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:58 am
- Forum: The Crime Blotter
- Topic: "Sliders" a growing problem
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Re: "Sliders" a growing problem
Use of force? Yes per PC 9.41. But the use of deadly force would only be permitted if the theft were occurring at night. Much easier & simpler to lock the doors or stand where you can see all of your vehicle's doors.TREKFAN wrote:http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/sl ... .html?vp=1
A growing problem apparently and happening in Texas. People are waiting at the door on the otherside of your vehicle whike you pump gas and steal your stuff and run off.
Hypothetical, would this be justifiable use of force with firing shots to either stop them or drawing to stop them?