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ShootDontTalk wrote:

Right2Carry wrote: I believe it to be light in comparison the double action firearms.

Now you're hunting for a rabbit hole.

A Glock is neither double-action nor single-action. I'll leave it to you to go look up specific technical specifications about striker fired pistols. All of which has absolutely nothing to do with negligent gun owners.

I think I'm done here.

ShootDontTalk wrote:

Right2Carry wrote: Humans are fallible. Humans make mistakes. IMHO the combination of striker fired pistols and light trigger pull should have at a minimum a grip safety.

You do know that most manufacturers of striker fired pistols have virtually the same trigger pull weights? 5.5-6.5 pound range. That is not what most people define as a "light" trigger pull.

People are fallible and do make mistakes - all kinds of mistakes. People have been shooting themselves ever since firearms were invented - even those with three or four mechanical safeties. Let's at least be fair and objective about it and use the right term for the problem.

ShootDontTalk wrote:

Right2Carry wrote: Ever heard the term "Glock Leg"?

What does this mean then? How is it the fault of a gun, regardless of who makes it, if someone who doesn't know how to handle a loaded gun does something negligent and sets it off when they didn't intend to?

ShootDontTalk wrote:

Right2Carry wrote: First and foremost the article which this topic was started says nothing about the recruiter showing the weapon to others so your statement about "ALL" is false. The article states the firearm went off in his pocket when the recruiter sat down.

Is it your assertion that the gun just went off all by itself without any negligent human intervention whatsoever? And by the way, putting any firearm into a pocket WITHOUT A POCKET HOLSTER to cover the trigger is negligent human intervention. Unless your opinion tells you it isn't.

Right2Carry wrote: Your opinion doesn't trump my opinion. Again plenty of videos of LEO and others having NDs with a firearm that is striker fired and light trigger pull, they are not myths. IMHO a firearm with light trigger pull and striker fired should at a minimum have a grip safety like the XD.

No, but facts trump internet videos on YouTube - every time. It's up to you to prove that Glocks go off all by themselves with no negligent human intervention. You have your opinion. My opinion doesn't matter. The facts are readily apparent.

Right2Carry wrote: I haven't read one article that stated the recruiter was showing it to other recruiters. You are welcome to cite your source of your claim.

Ok here is one for you:

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/art ... e-reviewed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Like it or not, the truth stands. No gun goes off by itself. The recruiters' gun had some help.

ShootDontTalk wrote:

Right2Carry wrote: Does your statement apply to all the Military Folks and LEO who use firearms with a Manual Safety? Special Forces? Your logic is flawed. Ever heard the term "Glock Leg"?

Does your statement about "Glock leg" apply to GSG-9? I challenge you to go say it to them face to face.

You do know that a great many LE departments will not approve ANY pistol with a manual safety for duty use?

When are we going to learn that just because you read it on the internet it must be true - is a lie?

I agree on one immutable truth based on 60+ years of handling firearms. There is no firearm I have ever seen that will fire itself. It ALWAYS requires the intervention of a negligent human. Full stop. End of story.

Back on topic. Some stories report he had the gun in his pocket. Others say he was using a holster. All of them say he took the gun out to show it to a recruit. A beginners carry mistake.

C-dub wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:darn Glocks.:-)

First I've heard that it was a Glock, but if it was, not the Glocks fault. People who don't know how to handle firearms need a gun with a manual safety.

I don't know if it was or wasn't hence the smiley. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it turns out to be one.

like I said, if you don't know jack about firearms you need a manual safety.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but it doesn't make it fact. IMHO Glocks are for people who can't walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

So, the vast majority of LEO in the country can't walk and chew bubblegum at the same time? People who blame a Glock every time someone shoots themselves are not only perpetuating a myth about glocks and striker fired weapons, they are also revealing their ignorance of firearms.

It's not a myth that "glock leg' happens.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crim ... p/4666967/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And the same thing has never happened with any other firearm.

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:darn Glocks.:-)

First I've heard that it was a Glock, but if it was, not the Glocks fault. People who don't know how to handle firearms need a gun with a manual safety.

I don't know if it was or wasn't hence the smiley. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it turns out to be one.

like I said, if you don't know jack about firearms you need a manual safety.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but it doesn't make it fact. IMHO Glocks are for people who can't walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

So, the vast majority of LEO in the country can't walk and chew bubblegum at the same time? People who blame a Glock every time someone shoots themselves are not only perpetuating a myth about glocks and striker fired weapons, they are also revealing their ignorance of firearms.

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:darn Glocks.:-)

First I've heard that it was a Glock, but if it was, not the Glocks fault. People who don't know how to handle firearms need a gun with a manual safety.

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:darn Glocks.:-)

First I've heard that it was a Glock, but if it was, not the Glocks fault. People who don't know how to handle firearms need a gun with a manual safety.

I don't know if it was or wasn't hence the smiley. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it turns out to be one.

like I said, if you don't know jack about firearms you need a manual safety.

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:darn Glocks.:-)

First I've heard that it was a Glock, but if it was, not the Glocks fault. People who don't know how to handle firearms need a gun with a manual safety.