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jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:I can just imagine what this topic would look like if Whataburger had chosen to allow open carry but posted a 30.06 sign? I can hear it now.

What difference would it make as long as you were still able to defend yourself and your family?

Javier730 wrote:

G.A. Heath wrote: Overall I would seriously warn you to reconsider your plans and carefully implement your operation in order to avoid giving the other side ammunition to use against you and everyone else.

Correct me if im wrong but I don't believe Right2Carry planned on doing this. He was simply giving a scenario.

G.A. Heath wrote:Right2Carry: In regards to the folks who reportedly follow the "Concealed is Concealed" and carry past a valid 30.06, or search for an entrance that is not posted, such actions are criminal and the encouragement of those actions would be a violation of the rules one must abide by in order to participate in this forum. With that in mind I suspect you are talking about those who carry past an invalid sign. It is reasonable to expect someone to meet the requirements of the law they are trying to use, if they do not meet those requirements it could be taken as a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" situation to placate both sides, or it could be something else entirely. This is a whole different can of worms than what you want to have happen at Whataburger.

You want to reveal your weapon before leaving Whataburger in order to make a point? That comes close, if not meets, the "in a manner calculated to cause alarm" requirement for Disorderly Conduct and Whataburger may even choose to print the 30.07 language on their receipt so you might want to read that as well. Should you get them to post their business with 30.06 as a result of your "carry concealed until your ready to leave then disrupt operations on your way out the door" strategy how have you advanced gun rights and advocated for the second amendment? You haven't, instead you have set them back and given the anti-gunners another Fat-man and Little Boy at Chili's to point to so they can reenforce those stereotypes they like to throw on us. Overall I would seriously warn you to reconsider your plans and carefully implement your operation in order to avoid giving the other side ammunition to use against you and everyone else.

gdanaher wrote:They are now going in the direction that oc is the only true carry and only true defense, and cc is not actually carrying at all and presents no level of safety. It just gets better and better. It's becoming a religion to some of these folks.

Taypo wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

cyphertext wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

cyphertext wrote:

bulinm wrote:When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

The law states what they must do at that point if they want the person to leave.

Exactly... they must provide verbal notice at that time... no sign needed and perfectly within the law.

One can enter concealed, eat, and then open carry on the way out and perfectly within the law provided no 30.07 sign is posted.

That would fall in the childish and detrimental categories.

If one had on a cover garment and the only seat was by a window and it got hot, him or her removing the cover garment because they were unconfortable is childish and detrimental even though it is legal and there is not 30.07 sign? Yep excercising ones legal right within the law is always childish and detrimental. I am sure many considered our founding founders childish and detrimental when establishing this nation.

Get off your soapbox. You're comparing your pettly little attempt to get even with Whataburger by uncovering on yiur way out to the founding fathers? That's awesome. A handful more of you is all the antis need to make their point FOR them.

mojo84 wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

cyphertext wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

cyphertext wrote:

bulinm wrote:When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

The law states what they must do at that point if they want the person to leave.

Exactly... they must provide verbal notice at that time... no sign needed and perfectly within the law.

One can enter concealed, eat, and then open carry on the way out and perfectly within the law provided no 30.07 sign is posted.

That would fall in the childish and detrimental categories.

mojo84 wrote:What are you talking about? I never said anyone was childish and detrimental. I said the actions are. You do not know where I stand on any of the other things you mentioned. Nonetheless, they are not germane to this thread.

Rubbing someone's nose in something just to show them one outfitted them is childish and detrimental.

mojo84 wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

cyphertext wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

cyphertext wrote:

bulinm wrote:When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

The law states what they must do at that point if they want the person to leave.

Exactly... they must provide verbal notice at that time... no sign needed and perfectly within the law.

One can enter concealed, eat, and then open carry on the way out and perfectly within the law provided no 30.07 sign is posted.

That would call in the childish and detrimental categories.

cyphertext wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

cyphertext wrote:

bulinm wrote:When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

The law states what they must do at that point if they want the person to leave.

Exactly... they must provide verbal notice at that time... no sign needed and perfectly within the law.

jmra wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

cyphertext wrote:

bulinm wrote:When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

Most employees won't even notice.

But at some point someone will.

cyphertext wrote:

bulinm wrote:When I see a 30.06 sign, I know not to cross the threshold. See that way, I don't have to keep abreast of
the corporate policies of a particular business, well, every business. If Channel 4 did a story saying that Home Depot
didn't want concealed carry in their stores, everybody on this forum would be screaming that they should put up a 30.06 sign,
and rightfully so. Why is this different ?

But we're talking about open carry ( licensed open carry of handguns ), and those of us who might choose to open carry
( licensed open carry of handguns ) every once in a while are automatically...what ?....Wrong ? Stupid ?

The dozens of us who might choose that mode of carry appreciate your input.

Because with CC, without a sign they must verbally notify you, and unless they have someone posted at the door telling everyone that they are not welcome to carry the firearm, you probably won't receive notice. The gun is concealed, no one feels threatened, etc.

However, with OC, why post? Few will OC anyway, and just tell those that do that they are not welcome with the firearm. You are kinda easy to spot and give verbal notice to...

E.Marquez wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights