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KBCraig wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

KBCraig wrote:It's a shame that you can't distinguish that your plan has exactly the same effect, whether in a private residence or a public business: keeping out the law abiding, while doing nothing to deter criminals.

If you could overcome that, your argument might have merit. You can't, and it doesn't.

The differance is I don't allow criminals in my house, maybe you do, but I don't.

No, the difference is that you think you're not allowing criminals in your house.

Scenario: You meet a repairman at the door, verbally inform him that he's not allowed to carry a concealed handgun, and ask him to sign a declaration to that effect.

Likely result: If he's a CHL, he's probably going to think, "Well, this guy is hinky as all Hades!" He'll head back to his truck, and keep going.

If he's not a CHL, and not a criminal, he'll shrug and think you're some anti-gun nut, and probably continue his job.

If he's an armed criminal, he'll laugh inwardly while signing your paperwork.

It is not a business and that makes all the differance. Personally I know that the law does not distinguish between business and a private home.

Make up your mind.

The fact is I can choose who I allow into my home and who I don't allow, that is my right and neither you or anyone else can take that right away from me.

No one has proposed taking that right away from you. You have every right to demand repairmen submit to a metal detector, strip search, and cavity search before entering your home.

Good luck with that.

A business owner may not discriminate, but a homeowner can discriminate who he or she allows in thier house without any repurcussions.

Business owners have wide latitude to discriminate. There are certain protected classes they can't legally discriminate against, but they can legally discriminate against everyone else. No shirt? No service. No shoes? No service. No outside food or drink allowed. Wearing clothing the management considers inappropriate? Hit the road! Carrying a concealed handgun under the authority of Government Code chapter 411? You can't proceed past this PC 30.06 notice.

YOU may feel comfortable letting a complete stranger in your house with your love ones without knowing how the weapon is secured, what kind of training the individual has, or even if the gun is secured.

I assume everyone I meet, including complete strangers, are armed. You're assuming that your "checklist for repairmen" will magically assure that they're not.

You seem to think that you can wave a wand and make your home a "Guns-free zone except for me and mine". The fact that it's your home, instead of a business open to the public, is irrelevant: "gun free" is, and will always be, a fiction.

Kevin

KBCraig wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

KBCraig wrote:

TxFire wrote:You gonna pat them down too? Those interested in doing harm to you will pay no attention to your little signed form. These people are called CRIMINALS as they disregard the law.

Exactly. It's no different than a 30.06 sign at the mall: keeps out the law abiding, while doing nothing to stop criminals.

LOL. It's really a shame that you can't distinguish between a public business and a private residence or your argument might actually have merit.

It's a shame that you can't distinguish that your plan has exactly the same effect, whether in a private residence or a public business: keeping out the law abiding, while doing nothing to deter criminals.

If you could overcome that, your argument might have merit. You can't, and it doesn't.

KBCraig wrote:

TxFire wrote:You gonna pat them down too? Those interested in doing harm to you will pay no attention to your little signed form. These people are called CRIMINALS as they disregard the law.

Exactly. It's no different than a 30.06 sign at the mall: keeps out the law abiding, while doing nothing to stop criminals.

Skiprr wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

Jacob Staff wrote:Right2Carry, you need a 30.06 sign on your house just like business owners that share your ideas of a right to carry except around me

Actually since it is my home which is not open to the public, I can and will choose who enters my house armed and who doesn't... I am in the works of drafting a written form that will require the repairmans signature stating he is fully aware that he may not enter my house while carrying a gun.

Not to flame any fires here, but Jacob Staff is entirely correct. Take another look at PC 30.06; there is no distinction between a business, a residence, a farm, you name it...only "property of another." Oral notification is fine, but you don't need to work at drafting a written communication; for that to be legal it has to contain the identical language shown in PC 30.06(3).

Jacob Staff wrote:

llwatson wrote:You know, you are just digging yourself a deeper hole here...

Ok, so you didn't mean to offend the half dozen or so PC techs that read the forum. What you really meant was the 1000 or so PC USERS that read the forum!

This is why I love internet forums

You never can tell when someone is really offended or just poking you with a stick

I used to try to talk my way out these types of misunderstandings. Then I got married and realized you can never win.


Back to the original topic. I vote for pocket carry or http://www.smartcarry.com


and for the 2nd topic,

Right2Carry, you need a 30.06 sign on your house just like business owners that share your ideas of a right to carry except around me

llwatson wrote:Anyone who wants to come into my house to perform any service is gonna have a company ID, and I am gonna ask to see it.

If you don't have a company issued picture ID, or if you don't look like the picture on your ID badge, then you aren't invited in.

txinvestigator wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

phddan wrote:For comfort, the ankle rig would be better, imo, while your laying and rolling on the floor.

IMHO carrying into someones home who is a customer is just bad business. I would think most businesses that sent out repair reps ECT... would have a no gun policy in effect for entering a customers home. I don't care about them leaving it in the vehicle, but I don't want someone I don't know entering my home with a loaded gun. I have no idea what kind of training that person has, and a AD in my home from someone performing a service that I am paying for is going to amount to a huge lawsuit on someone.

Family or friends that I know is one thing, a person performing a service is quite another animal all together. I can't imagine a business allowing thier employees to go armed into a private citizens home to perform work. IMHO it is not a good idea.

Sounds like you need to post the 30.06 sign at your front door, or verbally tell people that they dont have the right to protect themselves in you abode.

Dan

Being invited to someones home as a friend and going to a house to perform a service are two entirely different things. I am not really sure how the law looks at this, nor am I so sure that a 30.06 posting or a verbal warning is required for someone entering your home as a repairman.

I guess some research is in order on this.

Of course a 30.06 or verbal notice is required to legally prohibit you from carrying into a customers home. The law is the law, and it is clear.

I am curious as to WHY you think it is not appropriate for a repairman to carry into a home. Please be specific.

I don't think it is appropiate because it is my home. It is not a place of business, it is my personal home, my castle. I also believe it creates the potential for a dangerous situation. Truth be known I never really thought much about it until it was brought up in this forum. I believe most businesses will have a company policy against allowing thier technicians to carry while on a service call. There is a huge liability issue for the company in case of an AD or ND.

I suspect that most people on this forum if they are being truthful would feel the same if all of a sudden they noticed thier repairman carrying a weapon even if its an inadverdent flash.

With that said I guess for some reason I thought that private residence would be protected with the whole my home is my castle thing. It appears that I was wrong, but am glad that I now know what the law says.

The only firearm bearing person I want in my house is myself, family or good friends. I do not want a total stranger carrying a firearm inside my house.

I have been educated now and will act appropiately in the future to prevent repairman from entering my house while armed.

TXI as I said before, this is just my opinion. If someone chooses a line of work that they know will require them to enter peoples homes, ehy that is thier choice. If they think it is too dangerous find other work.

It appears that the law allows this, I on the other hand think it is wrong. We will just have to agree to disagree on this and move on.

I appreciate your polite honesty.

I would have no problem with a CHL holder carrying inside my house. As far as he knows, I am a serial killer and he is my next victim, or a home invader intent on killing all could enter while he is inside, or......., basically all of the same reasons I carry in my home would apply to him while he is in my home.

And by his having a CHL I know he is not a criminal. You don't know that about other repairmen in your home.

Heck, I might even find myself a new shooting buddy.

txinvestigator wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

phddan wrote:For comfort, the ankle rig would be better, imo, while your laying and rolling on the floor.

IMHO carrying into someones home who is a customer is just bad business. I would think most businesses that sent out repair reps ECT... would have a no gun policy in effect for entering a customers home. I don't care about them leaving it in the vehicle, but I don't want someone I don't know entering my home with a loaded gun. I have no idea what kind of training that person has, and a AD in my home from someone performing a service that I am paying for is going to amount to a huge lawsuit on someone.

Family or friends that I know is one thing, a person performing a service is quite another animal all together. I can't imagine a business allowing thier employees to go armed into a private citizens home to perform work. IMHO it is not a good idea.

Sounds like you need to post the 30.06 sign at your front door, or verbally tell people that they dont have the right to protect themselves in you abode.

Dan

Being invited to someones home as a friend and going to a house to perform a service are two entirely different things. I am not really sure how the law looks at this, nor am I so sure that a 30.06 posting or a verbal warning is required for someone entering your home as a repairman.

I guess some research is in order on this.

Of course a 30.06 or verbal notice is required to legally prohibit you from carrying into a customers home. The law is the law, and it is clear.

I am curious as to WHY you think it is not appropriate for a repairman to carry into a home. Please be specific.

phddan wrote:For comfort, the ankle rig would be better, imo, while your laying and rolling on the floor.

IMHO carrying into someones home who is a customer is just bad business. I would think most businesses that sent out repair reps ECT... would have a no gun policy in effect for entering a customers home. I don't care about them leaving it in the vehicle, but I don't want someone I don't know entering my home with a loaded gun. I have no idea what kind of training that person has, and a AD in my home from someone performing a service that I am paying for is going to amount to a huge lawsuit on someone.

Family or friends that I know is one thing, a person performing a service is quite another animal all together. I can't imagine a business allowing thier employees to go armed into a private citizens home to perform work. IMHO it is not a good idea.

Sounds like you need to post the 30.06 sign at your front door, or verbally tell people that they dont have the right to protect themselves in you abode.

Dan