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anygunanywhere wrote:

Jaguar wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

Jaguar wrote:When both choices are Democrats, a Democrat will win.

I am a fiscal conservative. To paraphrase the great Ronald Reagan, “I did not leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.”

I am a Libertarian.

No offense, but being a libertarian means you (not personally) do not take stances on any issue. As long as they are left alone they don't care what others do. That is not the definition of liberty.

I do agree that the GOP left me.

Anygunanywhere

I don't understand, the LP does not have a platform? The LP does not take stances on any issues? I may disagree with some of the issues they have in the platform, but when it comes to fiscal matters, I do agree with the platform.

So wishing to be left alone and leaving others alone is not liberty? Come again? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Liberty and freedom means to do what is right , what you should, not what you want.

Anygunanywhere

Who gets to decide what is right, and who gets to enforce people doing what is determined to be right? Two consenting adults exchanging favors for money, you say it is not right, they say it is. Since your side is in power, you throw them in jail for committing an act they believe is okay. I believe both parties are wrong, but why not just leave each other alone.

But back to fiscal conservatives. Obama thought investing my money in green energy was right. Romney thinks investing my money in green energy is right. I’d like to tell both of them to spend their own darn money and leave me alone.

In the second debate, the very first question was a softball over the plate to Romney who whiffed on it. A college student was worried about future employment opportunity. Romney basically said to this kid who again, is worried about his future (paraphrased), “I support Pell grants, I want to take more money from some people and give it to college students, so you don’t have to worry about not being able to find a job and pay for your loans.”

Liberty is not having to pay for other’s college tuition. I have two kids in college and my wife and I pay for it. When you have kids in college, you pay for it (not you, you, but you in general). Liberty is not being forced at the end of a gun to pay for someone else’s college education.

anygunanywhere wrote:

Jaguar wrote:When both choices are Democrats, a Democrat will win.

I am a fiscal conservative. To paraphrase the great Ronald Reagan, “I did not leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.”

I am a Libertarian.

No offense, but being a libertarian means you (not personally) do not take stances on any issue. As long as they are left alone they don't care what others do. That is not the definition of liberty.

I do agree that the GOP left me.

Anygunanywhere

I don't understand, the LP does not have a platform? The LP does not take stances on any issues? I may disagree with some of the issues they have in the platform, but when it comes to fiscal matters, I do agree with the platform.

So wishing to be left alone and leaving others alone is not liberty? Come again?

I find this thread fascinating; we have a group who wishes to move to the center on social issues and a group that is not willing to compromise their religious and moral beliefs. Yet both groups seem to believe they have common ground on economic issues.

A few weeks ago after the second Presidential debate, I stated that my distaste for Mitt Romney had me thinking about voting for Gary Johnson. This was due to the reason everyone in this thread seems to be agreeing on, economic issues. Beyond repealing Obama-care which isn’t even in force yet, Romney said nothing and offered nothing to reduce government and ease restrictions on business which would allow the economy to grow. Yet when I published my distaste on this forum, I was told I would be “voting for Obama” or “throwing away my vote” since I wasn’t willing to compromise my beliefs. Now many of the social conservatives who told me to compromise my economic beliefs are stating they will not compromise their social beliefs, interesting.

Yet here is a thread detailing differences on social issues that seems to be tearing the GOP apart, and apparent agreement on economic issues. Did you watch the debate and hear something I didn’t? Almost everything Obama has done or has proposed concerning the economy Mitt said he will double down on or continue, if only to a lesser degree. I could not believe what I was hearing but now it is what you folks are agreeing on; free college tuition, more money for “green energy”, tax the rich, etc., etc., etc. Sure there were a few differences but come on, Romney offered no plan and just went along with big government entitlements.

So it seems to me the GOP has already moved left of center on economic issues and nobody even noticed because they are fighting over the social issues. You wonder why people did not turn out to vote? Maybe because there was so little difference between Obama and Romney that it didn’t really matter. Mitt has flip flopped on social issues so much there was no telling where he would land once in the White House so social conservatives stayed home. Mitt agreed with most of Obama’s economic policies so fiscal conservatives stayed home or voted Libertarian.

When both choices are Democrats, a Democrat will win.

I am a fiscal conservative. To paraphrase the great Ronald Reagan, “I did not leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.”

I am a Libertarian.

Random thoughts for today

I apologized to my 21 years old son today. My generation failed him.

Somehow me wanting to keep my paycheck is considered greedy, but someone else taking it is called compassion.

I do not like Romney, I held my nose and voted for him. Maybe others couldn't muster a cloths pin.

The greedy generation (baby boomer) has given birth to the even greedier generation.

We have tipped the 50% threshold. "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Ben Franklin

Colorado voted to allow recreational cannabis. They also voted in Obama. Chicken & egg?

1984 wasn't intended to be a "How to Manual".

My doctor ordered I get a PET scan. My insurance said they would only pay for a CT scan since I haven't endured chemotherapy in five years, and if it showed anything then I could get a PET scan. Who should I trust more with decisions on my health, the doctor or the insurance company? Rhetorical question, no need to reply.

I'm tired and going to bed.

Skiprr wrote:

canvasbck wrote:Wisconsin falls.......have to run out Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina

Aaargh! Paul Ryan's home state!

I put little faith in this, Fox news has 12% counted, 53% Romney, 46% Obama, yet are still calling Wisconsin for Obama?

Too early to tell in my opinion.