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by Jaguar
Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:39 pm
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Topic: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
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RottenApple wrote:
Jaguar wrote:Sanford, FL is going to ban Neighborhood Watch members from carrying guns while on volunteer duty.

Sorry, you wouldn't catch me volunteering to watch for trouble while unarmed.

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/up ... 91532-9217" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wouldn't have made a difference in the Zimmerman case. Zimmerman wasn't on duty.
Yep, and there lies the irony of all this. A solution that doesn't fit any problems.
by Jaguar
Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:40 am
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

Sanford, FL is going to ban Neighborhood Watch members from carrying guns while on volunteer duty.

Sorry, you wouldn't catch me volunteering to watch for trouble while unarmed.

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/up ... 91532-9217" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by Jaguar
Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:15 pm
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baldeagle wrote:
kragluver wrote:This may have already been posted here. Read Mas Ayoob's 12-part (so far) commentary on the trial. It is very informative.

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAy ... osecution/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That was great stuff, and he's not done yet. Next up - Angela Corey.
Sounds like a "target rich environment".
by Jaguar
Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:37 pm
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Told the cop he had a gun. The follow up question should have been, "only one?!?!"
by Jaguar
Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:47 pm
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psijac wrote:I would like to encourage everyone to write a letter the her employer. Remind them that you love Texas and the environment but cannot in good conscience donate your time for hard earn dollars to this charity so long as their employees are so blatantly racist
:thumbs2:
by Jaguar
Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:46 am
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baldeagle wrote:
Jaguar wrote:So yeah, she maybe was being sarcastic, but according to the press she was representing the pro-Zimmerman folks. She was a plant, mission accomplished. Vile and disgusting woman.
Actually, she was with the NBPP on the Trayvon Martin supporter's side of the street. The media didn't bother to report that, because it didn't fit their predetermined narrative.
Facepalm.
by Jaguar
Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:04 am
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Keith B wrote:I wasn't supporting her, I think she probably a plant. Or, sh was so stupid that she didn't understand what she was doing.
I wasn't picking on you (you're a mod.) ;-) Just wanting to make sure people know she was trying to be sneaky. I would believe she took it upon herself to become a plant and she accomplished what she set out to do, make the pro-Zimmerman, pro self defense crowd look like a bunch of toothless racists. The media would not check facts when they line up with their beliefs so it is easy for the left to employ these tactics.

Now if a plant was in the "justice for Martin" crowd with a sign saying, "take your beat downs, crackers", it would either be exposed as a plant or ignored.
by Jaguar
Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:34 am
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Keith B wrote:
philip964 wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07 ... -activist/

A woman holding a racist sign and shouting a racist chant at Quanell X's march on Sunday in Houston was an Austin based left wing plant, her picture was picked up and distributed world wide as a pro Zimmerman supporter.

This story busts her cover.
She was interviewed and said that her sign was meant to be sarcastic and pointing out that there were others at the rally that were racist and proud of it, and that she was not one of them.
Yes, but every "news agency" that published the photo did not put her spin in it.
New York Daily News wrote: One woman in the Zimmerman group held a sign that said, "We're racist & proud."

Austin resident Renee Vaughan echoed the sign’s ugly sentiments by yelling, "We're racist. We're proud. We're better because we're white," at the Martin group as they passed, according to the Chronicle.
Houston Chronicle wrote: Members of this group held signs that read: 'We're racist and proud,' 'Remove the Black Panthers from the U.S.A.' and 'If Zimmerman is a "White Hispanic" then President Obama is a "White Black."'
Mail Online wrote:Members of this group held signs that read: 'We're racist and proud,' 'Remove the Black Panthers from the U.S.A.' and 'If Zimmerman is a "White Hispanic" then President Obama is a "White Black."'

[and captioned the photo]
Opposition: A woman holds a sign up as the G. Zimmerman River Oaks Stand Your Ground group holds a counter demonstration to Houston community activist Quanell X's group march in the River Oaks community in Houston on Sunday
So yeah, she maybe was being sarcastic, but according to the press she was representing the pro-Zimmerman folks. She was a plant, mission accomplished. Vile and disgusting woman.
by Jaguar
Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:51 pm
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

sjfcontrol wrote:
Pawpaw wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:And now the ACLU has withdrawn its demand that the feebs investigate Z again: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/f ... 94518.html. Seems the ACLU has a long-standing policy of NOT recommending double-jeopardy trials, and their current director got caught up in the insanity and forgot the policy. They have now sent a letter to AG Holder about it:
Methinks the rats are deserting a sinking ship. :mrgreen:
Perhaps they've seen the light...... Naaawww!
Well, the ACLU was against Double Jeopardy, then for it after Rodney King, then against it, then for it after Zimmerman, now against it again.

At least they are consistent. :smilelol5:
by Jaguar
Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:59 pm
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The jury spoke, he is not guilty, and after watching 90% of the trial I have to agree with them.

Now Eric Folder is attempting to circumvent Florida law and not allow Zimmerman to have his firearm back.

Justice Department places 'hold' on Trayvon Martin trial evidence, including George Zimmerman's gun - which Florida law says must be returned to him

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-him.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by Jaguar
Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:09 pm
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Unfortunately for the jurors, the media is already circling like sharks with blood in the water. They want names released, the defense wants to put off the release of their names for six months to allow things to cool off, which seems reasonable. "Judge" Nelson gets to decide.

If my wife were on the jury, we'd be in hiding - heavily armed.

Link - http://www.sun-sentinel.com/os-will-geo ... 2600.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by Jaguar
Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:47 am
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sjfcontrol wrote:
texanjoker wrote: Never said I would. This case is very troubling. A 17 year old kid has the right to purchase some snacks and walk home w/o being profiled as a punk. Z's statements calling him a punk and that they always get away were prior to whatever happened that lead to the shooting. Z says that Martin is running away. I've chased a lot of people in my time and people running AWAY don't confront you. They run and hide. I personally believe Z did in fact continue to chase Martin and probably caught up to him. At that point who confronted who? Did Martin sucker punch him for no reason w/o saying anything? Only Z knows. I believe that Z then got his rear end handed to him and that Z was the person screaming for help. He put himself in a position and was not prepared for what transpired. I wish I was the fly on the wall to know what really happened and how they finally met. I am glad I am not on that jury. But then the jury has heard the case in court vs. the media and internet hype and will make their decision based on that which has got to be easier to the constant media attention to this case. I wish them the best as that has got to be a hard decision.
Sounds like you've got reasonable doubt to me -- you'd have to find him not-guilty.

By the way. Suppose it happened just the way you describe, and Z did follow and perhaps even confront M. Assuming the M threw the first punch, and then proceeded to "hand his rear end to him", did Z at that point forfeit his right to self defense?
Exactly. Usually it is the prosecution with the facts and the defense gets to punch reasonable doubt holes in their facts. This time the defense has facts and the prosecution is doing nothing more than putting "what if", "believe", "why didn't", reasonable doubts of the facts out for the jury. This is a backwards case and I believe Mark O'Mara did not help when he attempted to "prove beyond reasonable doubt" he client acted in self defense, it could have confused some on the jury as to state's burden.

When the prosecution is using "what if's" you have to find not guilty - their case is based on reasonable doubt.
by Jaguar
Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:40 pm
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

sjfcontrol wrote:
Jaguar wrote:
sjfcontrol wrote:Which makes me wonder why the judge needs a conference with the attorneys.
Maybe to explain what constitutes "reasonable" to the prosecution?
Whatever it means, it's now too late for the lawyers to do anything about it.
Maybe MOM can explain it to the judge for the jury instructions.

If they follow defense advice and ask themselves if the state proved beyond reasonable doubt that Z did not have justification for using deadly force, which the state did not, then I expect a verdict of not guilty before 3:30. If it goes longer I would expect a guilty of manslaughter verdict as a compromise between facts and feelings. Sad.
by Jaguar
Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:29 pm
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sjfcontrol wrote:Which makes me wonder why the judge needs a conference with the attorneys.
Maybe to explain what constitutes "reasonable" to the prosecution?
by Jaguar
Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:54 am
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

It's all over - up to the Jury now.

:thewave

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