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txinvestigator wrote:

casselthief wrote:I believe a discussion took place in another thread corresponding to whether or not a CHL presented "probable cause."
as I remember, I believe it was ascertained that a CHL did not present PC, and therefore a search was not warranted based on that alone.

PC is not required for a Terry search. Reasonable suspicion is.

Ah! thank you for the info.
well, then, to further the discussion just a bit, does having a CHL create reasonable suspicion?
it would seem reasonable to me that announcing you have a gun would, while having a CHL while not carrying (for shame!!!) would not.
what is your perspective?
thanks in advance.

I believe a discussion took place in another thread corresponding to whether or not a CHL presented "probable cause."
as I remember, I believe it was ascertained that a CHL did not present PC, and therefore a search was not warranted based on that alone.

now there are a few other things that are interesting, and could give a little more insight into what went through the DPS officer's mind, at that time.
I am merely speculating here, but maybe it seemed odd that a CHL holder would have two unloaded weapons on him.
everyone here would say two things:
1. not uncommon to unload before/after a range trip
2. an unloaded gun doesn't provide you any protection

I'm going to leave #2 completely alone.
but, once again, seeing as the officer felt inclined to look at said pistols, maybe they were looking for a guy who had a particular weapon on him, and he was seeing if your weaponry fit that bill, so to speak.
again, I think you consented to a search when he asked if he could go into your vehicle and look at the aforementioned items.
no biggie, but I agree that 20 mins on the side of the road is quite the pain, especially taking into consideration that if it was too cold for the range, it was probably a tid bit nippy on the side o' the road.