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Charles L. Cotton wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote: being able to let everyone see you are armed

This is certainly not why I would like to see OC passed. Not anywhere on my list of reasons.
Although I would agree that this is a motivation for some.

I was responding to rogersinsel's absurd statement that the lack of open-carry is an embarrassment to Texas, not suggesting that all open-carry supporters simply want to show their guns.

Chas.

Be careful here Charles Cotton. You're officially below the belt now. There is nothing absurd or factually inaccurate with anything I've said. Your choice to focus only on Patrick has seriously limited your position in this discussion. Is he in play here, certainly. Can he do it alone, No. Can he lead, Yes! Is he, I can't tell because one day OC is nearly dead and the next he's trying to walk back his comments. A lot like how you're trying to walk back your comment that open carry advocates just simply want to show off their guns. It was uninformed the first time and frankly your attempt to revise your intent furthers my point. We all want the same thing in that we cherish our 2a rights and want them expanded. This thread is Re: General 2015 Legislative Session Discussion, yet your focus is on one man. Mine is on the entire process. You are right in that Patrick cannot force a bill out of committee but that's not the point. If you actually pay attention to what he is saying and clue in on things like "votes aren't there" "political will" "larger agenda" or "there are more important 2a" then you can glean what he is really saying. He is saying that he likes OC, wishes it would pass, but won't because it would burn too much political capital or that it is too difficult to pass and is going to ensure it doesn't because he's not going to help it. You ask, why Roger do you feel that way? How do you know? Well it is actually really simple Mr. Cotton. As a kid there was a phrase often used to describe those who either tried to hide their appearance or fake it. It was " if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck!" Patrick ran on the GOP ticket and OC. The fact that he said one afternoon OC is nearly dead and then the next he is quoted as saying soemthing entirely different starts to make him look like a duck. Perhaps you should call him up and remind him that he cannot tell the senate to now focus and vote on an Open Carry bill because after all as you have already said " he can't".

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:

rogersinsel wrote:I am sure that you aren't actually asking a question, but I'll answer anyway. Put rather simply, Patrick needs to do his job. If OC is already DOA, then he and the entire Texas GOP that let it happen need to find work elsewhere. It is an embarrassment that Texas lacks OC of any type for any reason. Furthermore, it is astounding at the apparent lack of resolution that the Texas GOP has regarding 2a rights. It is part of our platform and I voted for them because of it. There are a lot of passionate people out there supporting this cause. It is unfortunate that Texas' elected leaders don't share that same passion. Mark this day Chas, if the Texas GOP doesn't start embracing their party values now, you, the GOP and all conservative Texans will find ourselves marginalized and forgotten once this state goes blue. You see, right or wrong, democrats stand by their values even if it means getting in your face over it. It rallies their base. Ex. You didn't see the democrats tuck tail and run when a bunch of women descended on Austin and shut down government to protest their right to kill babies. So the moral of this story is the Texas GOP had better wake up now and get to work passing legislation that matters. And I'll give you one more news flash...this matters!

You said you were going to answer the question, but you didn't. How is Patrick supposed to bring a bill to the floor of the Senate if it does not clear a committee? Hint: He cannot!

Not having open-carry is hardly an embarrassment. What is embarrassing is that a handgun of people act like being able to let everyone see you are armed is the most important issue facing Texas gun owners and the Texas Legislature. Texas has very liberal gun laws and that's because the NRA and TSRA have used their expertise to improve them over many years. There are no shortcuts.

Chas.

I did answer, you just don't want to recognize that I did. Your decision to not recognize fact is puzzling so I'll repeat. By doing his job. He is suppose to be the second and some would say first most powerful man in Texas. Act like it! He did on the 2/3rds rule, what happened with open carry. He has the authority and discretion in following Senate procedural rules. He can set up standing or special committees and appoint committee chairpersons and individual members. As part of both the legislative and executive branches of government and as President of the senate I kind of figure yeah he does have the political sway to get OC out of committee if he wanted to. And it doesn't just stop with Patrick, however it does begin with him. Once he shows he's weak what do you think the rank and file will do? Don't say he's not because even today he is trying to walk back his comments on the subject. I am told you're an ardent 2a supporter and an open carry supporter, but there are times I don't see that in your words. And believe me, people are listening, but they're not buying.

I can also give you five reasons why it is fact that Texas not having open carry is an embarrassment: California, Texas, Florida, New York and Illinois. Further more you never asked me why I prefer OC. Broad brush statements like "What is embarrassing is that a handgun of people act like being able to let everyone see you are armed is the most important issue facing Texas gun owners and the Texas Legislature" only serve to hurt our cause and show ignorance of the subject. Honestly, I feel if you listened more and criticized less those that have a slightly different view than you, you might just see our cause advance rather than tread water. BTW, if waiting for over one hundred years for something is taking a shortcut, I'd hate to see the long way in your book.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

XinTX wrote:I'm not going to point too much of a finger at Watkins and his band of merry cohorts. And it's not like anyone had no reason to think Patrick wouldn't support 2A legislation and OC.

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How is Dan Patrick supposed to bring an open-carry bill to the Senate floor for a vote if the bill never gets voted out of committee favorably?

Chas.

I am sure that you aren't actually asking a question, but I'll answer anyway. Put rather simply, Patrick needs to do his job. If OC is already DOA, then he and the entire Texas GOP that let it happen need to find work elsewhere. It is an embarrassment that Texas lacks OC of any type for any reason. Furthermore, it is astounding at the apparent lack of resolution that the Texas GOP has regarding 2a rights. It is part of our platform and I voted for them because of it. There are a lot of passionate people out there supporting this cause. It is unfortunate that Texas' elected leaders don't share that same passion. Mark this day Chas, if the Texas GOP doesn't start embracing their party values now, you, the GOP and all conservative Texans will find ourselves marginalized and forgotten once this state goes blue. You see, right or wrong, democrats stand by their values even if it means getting in your face over it. It rallies their base. Ex. You didn't see the democrats tuck tail and run when a bunch of women descended on Austin and shut down government to protest their right to kill babies. So the moral of this story is the Texas GOP had better wake up now and get to work passing legislation that matters. And I'll give you one more news flash...this matters!