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txglock21 wrote:This question has nothing to do with your post. I quoted it just because it made me think of something I want to ask. My bank has a "gun buster" sign on the door, no 30.06. I have always just walked past it and smiled because of C/C. I'm just wondering if/when open carry passes and they just leave this one silly sign up, would somebody still open carry pass this sign? I know I would still C/C just not to be hassled or told to leave because of it. I'm not an in your face kind of guy. I very rarely go inside anyway, but....
Curious on y'alls thoughts.

I believe the gun buster sign would have no more legal impact for oc than it does for cc. You have not been "legally" given notice if you oc. However, there is some effect. If I cc in such a situation, no one knows I'm doing so, so no one thinks poorly of me, and no one tells me to leave. If I oc in such a situation, those around me can see that I'm ignoring the sign. Some may point it out to me, which is embarrassing (sort of like walking past a "no shirt, no shoes, no service" sign). If one of those that points it out to me happens to be an employee, and tells me I need to leave, then I must or I'm violating the law. With cc, I don't have that issue.

RPBrown wrote: .... I will most likely not OC in most cases but I do ride a motorcycle and from time to time, my shirt comes up and exposes my weapon. This would eliminate any chance of prosecution, even if I failed to cover it back up. Also would allow me the option to OC while hunting in the case I needed to run to the store and forget to cover.

Again, just my .02

This part right here! My bike is probably the only place I really desire to open carry. I typically CC on my bike, but it's with the realization that it's really not going to do me much good on the bike (in spite of how easy Jax makes it look on SoA, shooting left handed while operating the throttle is not particularly accurate, and unless you ride with a group like his, not really very necessary). I carry it with me because I want it on me when I get where I'm going.

That said, I've seen a lot of car operators do a lot of stupid things to MC riders over the years. I suspect a gun strapped to the riders side will make them a lot more visible to some...

C-dub wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:A half a second can be the difference between living and dying.

It can be faster for most people. but that 0.5 second difference is negligible to meaningless for most people. I suspect the number of folks that are of Jerry Miculek competency with a handgun is extremely small so that 0.5 seconds would make a difference. Most all the theories about OC preventing a crime are just that. Theories without any stats to support them. Same as all the blood in the streets theories from the left when any pro-gun rights laws are passed.

I keep reading this stuff about speed, but I guess I'm behind the curve of some of you folks. I can't "speed draw" worth spit. I've tried it at the private lane at the range, and I come closer to Barny Fife than I do Clint Eastwood. I can't envision many circumstances where I'd try to quickly draw and shoot.

v7a wrote:I agree with Charles that many of the arguments presented in favor of Open Carry are pure conjecture. Ultimately, what it boils down to for me is that unless there's a good reason to prohibit something it should not be prohibited. And there's no good reason why Open Carry should be prohibited.

In fact, I think the primary value of legalizing Open Carry is in its symbolic/PR value. It will be demoralizing to the anti-gun forces. And in a few years when the Wild West has not returned (yet again), they'll have even less credibility than they do now.

I'm with you on this, 100%. I have no (current) intention to open carry, with the possible exception of an easy access mount on my bike. But, I'm totally against making something illegal just because someone doesn't want it to be legal. Without good reason otherwise, OC should be legal.

I hadn't really thought of the "PR value", but I see your point.

Roger Howard wrote:

casp625 wrote:So when the new 30.06 & 30.07 laws take effect, will all the old signs be invalid? What if businesses don't post new signs?

30.06 will not change. 30.07 will cover open carry. If the law passes as written at this point, it would become effective January 1, 2016

And if a business has the "old" 30.06 sign, but no 30.07 sign, I suspect a person carrying concealed would be able to choose to disarm, or un-conceal and be within the law.

I'm hearing the claim that "someone will grab that gun" (if it's not concealed) .

I wonder, does anyone know what the stats are on open carry weapons being grabbed by others in open carry states?