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by ScooterSissy
Tue May 22, 2012 2:11 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Stopped By DPS Today
Replies: 88
Views: 15483

Re: Stopped By DPS Today

steveincowtown wrote:
bci21984 wrote: The runners, trick riders, lane splitters, stunters, and so on, have created a negative image for you in the eyes of the police. So you get stopped, he's fishing, you get attitude as you have stated and the cycle is continued. You are now part of the group that draws the negative attention. Try this next time you get stopped, realize that you are on a sport bike and are being perceived as the negative group of the sportbike crowd, if the officer fishes, dont get your attitude. Answer the questions and engage in a pleasant conversation and prove that you are not part of the negative crowd.
First, thanks for your service as an LEO. It is not a job I want, or honestly would want to handle.

Second, the statement above amounts to nothing short of profiling. If an LEO has preconceived perceptions before they pull me over, that is their problem, not mine.

Third, I do not think having a "pleasant conversation" is required or needed. Showing respect does not equal "answering questions." I have the utmost respect for LEO's, but I do expect them to have the same respect for me if I choose to remain silent, not let them in my house, not search my car, etc.


LEO's have every right to ask any question they like, just as I have the right to not answer. The problem is that some citizens get bent when questions are asked, and some LEO's get bent when questions are not answered.

The world needs a little more respect....
In these scenarios, do the officers involved have absolutely no probable cause? I mean, are you 100% obeying all traffic laws. No speeding, you're signalling lane changes and/or turns, both wheels on the ground, etc etc?

If they're stopping you with no PC, you have a valid complaint (and should register the complaint). If you're giving them PC, you're bringing it on yourself.
by ScooterSissy
Tue May 08, 2012 10:29 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Stopped By DPS Today
Replies: 88
Views: 15483

Re: Stopped By DPS Today

GeekDad wrote:
speedsix wrote:
GeekDad wrote:
speedsix wrote:...even citing Wiki, which is not top shelf legal advice, this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; disputes the "fact" that a traffic offense is not a crime...I hope any lawyer telling us that gives refunds...
I just sited wiki to give you a definition. How to actually defend your self in court is a whole other subject.
...the point I was making is that what you stated and used the "Wikilink" to back up is incorrect in Texas law...and even Wiki will tell you that...in Texas, a traffic offense is, in fact, a crime...

That's what I said... In most states a Traffic office is considered a "Infraction" but not in Texas, its considered a Class C Misdemeanor and by Texas Penal code that is a "Crime." That in turn validates my explanation of Corpus Delicti.
The Definition is, Corpus delicti requires at a minimum: 1) The occurrence of the specific injury; and 2) some criminal agency as the source of the injury.
For example:
Homicide - 1.) An individual has died; and 2.) By a criminal act.
Larceny - 1.) Property missing; and 2.) Because it was stolen

So if you committed a "crime" by "Speeding" their is no Corpus Delicti because their is no injury to anyone.
I think you should run with that, and let us all know how it goes.

Frankly, every time I have to break for a speeder, slow down for someone running a red light, or swerve to avoid another idiot too busy talking on their phone to look over their shoulder for a bike - I'm an injured party.

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