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oljames3 wrote:
Announcements, discussions, and presentations concerning License to Carry a Handgun in Texas are increasing in frequency. I started this thread to demonstrate that we did not need to berate each other about informing business owners concerning their signage. The word was already getting out. In fact, the discussion has only increased. I have not been posting every reference, only a sample. That sample has grown so that, even though the post gets longer, I am only showing a very small sample of what is readily available.

Many police departments have held one or more open forums for citizens and businesses. There are three of which I know that are happening today: Fort Bend county, the city of Round Rock, the city of Elgin. I'll be attending both sessions in Elgin, Texas, today.

The law concerning carrying a handgun in Texas is not a secret for us to keep. Discussing the law in a civil manner can only benefit us as we go about our lives.

oljames,

Thank you for this posting. I've been watching this thread for some time now, because you inferred the same in your previous posts (before this thread), and again in the opening message of this one. I'm glad you brought this idea back up again.

After four months and 200+ postings, you have not convinced me of your original argument, because the premise of the comparison is flawed. Just because lots and lots and lots and lots of people are talking about it, that does not mean that I am benefited because some yahoo goes up to a business and informs them that their sign is invalid for concealed carry.

If I carry in business x for years, and then thousands of other folks talk about guns around the state, but business x does not change their gunbuster sign (because they think it works against me carrying), then all is OK. But if you walk up to that one specific business and inform them that their 30.06 sign is not valid and not enforceable, and they decide to change...then you have made my regular excursions to business x less safe for me.

I don't care if you post thousands of articles about thousands of people hundreds of miles from me talking about guns, it has no bearing on me. What does matter is when one of my fellow forum members (which was your original premise) takes the knowledge that we gain on here and in our CHL classes and further informs specific businesses that I frequent. This unending string of articles that you've posted for four months does not support your original statement that it doesn't matter when we inform businesses ourselves.

oljames3 wrote:UT Professor Resigns:
http://kxan.com/2015/10/07/ut-professor ... pus-carry/
http://alcalde.texasexes.org/2015/10/da ... pus-carry/

I call pigsqueeze on this on:

Hamermesh retired in August 2014, but continued on as the Sue Killam Professor Emeritus, teaching every Fall through 2017. The professor says the law, which will allow students to carry concealed weapons on designated areas of campus, will make it much more difficult for UT to attract employees.

So what does this actually mean?

It simply means a RETIRED professor who holds an honorary title of "Professor Emeritus" resigns said title. It does NOT mean that UT lost a teacher who was long in the saddle. He was out in a year or so anyway. My guess is that this opportunity down under came at a convenient time for him to accept it and he used Campus Carry to make a statement explaining why he was cutting short his promise to teach for a couple years into his retirement.

It means absolutely nothing short of being a politically motivated stunt that can feed the journalist a sensational story.

oljames3 wrote:Texans are talking about open carry on 1/1/16. It's no secret. Whether we correct a business's non-compliant signage or not, the conversation has already started and will only grow.

Churches as talking.
http://www.felcaustin.org/weekly-update-september-16

SUNDAY ADULT FORUM AT 9:45

September 20: Church and Gun Laws
Pastor Coffey will share information about new laws in Texas regarding open carry, and the concealed carry laws, and what options churches have. What policy do you think FELC should have regarding concealed and open carry in the church? Come have a conversation and Pastor Coffey will share the feedback with the church council.

And colleges: UTEP professor will not allow guns in his classroom.
http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/features/top ... foVENJVhBd

Part of situational awareness is political and social awareness. Do your own due diligence and decide for yourself how best to go about your life.

oljames,

I understand your position. You have posted on this thread MANY companies, organizations, etc. who are already spreading the word. Because of that, I think (and please do correct me if I'm wrong) that you're implying that it doesn't matter a bit if one of us makes a point to inform a business about their signage.

I agree with you...the word is out. But that doesn't mean I have to help them with their endeavor. I figure it's like if I'm in a gunfight with a well-stockpiled adversary...just because they have lots of bullets at their disposal doesn't mean that I should offer them some of mine. That would be tactically unsound.

Let them do as they wish, and I'll never go out of my way to teach someone else the law so that they can use it against me.

oohrah wrote:Long article in the Waco Trib today. Very thorough review of the signage requirement without any judgment, just a stating of the law. Some interesting plusses and minuses. The Waco city council has long had a non-compliant gun buster sign for their meetings and they knew it wouldn't stop a CHL, so they have decided to take it down, and not post a 30.06, but they will post a 30.07. Someone also admitted that the Fair event center is posted illegally, as well as the county records building (I'm putting them on report on Tuesday).

The down side, IMHO, is that signage awareness among the public and establishments is greatly increasing, and I think we will see many more 30.06/30.07 signs come January.

Agreed, this was as unbiased an article (from the reporter's perspective) that I've seen in a while. Some of the interviewees showed some of their bias, but the reporter is not to blame for that.

However, the reporter did get some things wrong:

Some gray area remains as to exactly where governmental entities can ban guns. For example, the ban on guns on “school premises” might not extend to the parking lot of a school, said Joy Baskin, director of legal services for the Texas Association of School Boards.

For that reason, TASB advises schools to place their no-gun signs on the school building itself.

But she said parking lots could become gun-free zones when the band is practicing in a parking lot, or even during pick-up and drop-off times.

Pickup and drop-off are not 'school sponsored activities'.

Guns will continue to be prohibited in certain places where the appropriate signs are posted, including:
• School premises, school buses, or anywhere a school activity is taking place.
• Private businesses that state by signage that handguns are prohibited.
• Bars that derive at least 51 percent of their income from alcohol.
• On the premises of a correctional facility, amusement park, racetrack, hospital or place of worship.
• Polling places.
• Government courts or offices used by the courthouse.
• The secured area of an airport.

Not all the items in the list above required signs to be posted.