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by Jim Beaux
Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:51 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???
Replies: 65
Views: 13830

Re: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???

mamabearCali wrote:He told people he was planning on shooting someone.........well that was stupid.

As for the bit about a second bill of rights. We have a procedure to amend the constitution.....if we want to have that stuff, we can.
I agree with you 100%. It was stupid and I dont like what he did - but I have a problem with him receiving a prison sentence for saying that he intended to shoot someone who invades his abode.

As I said, I dont like what he did - but his sanctuary was violated.

Just because we have the right to, doesnt always mean that it's the right thing to do.
by Jim Beaux
Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:18 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???
Replies: 65
Views: 13830

Re: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???

Tic Tac wrote:Verdict may hinge on whether the jurors are from Montana or foreigners from California, Colorado, Germany, England, etc.
:iagree:
by Jim Beaux
Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:44 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???
Replies: 65
Views: 13830

Re: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???

CowboyEngineer wrote:If leaving your garage door up and having an alarm system is considered setting a trap, then I am in big trouble. I don't know if the kid deserved to be shot but if you are shopping in someone else's garage at night you shouldn't expect a hug. Whether the kid was a homegrown thief or a foreign exchange thief doesn't matter to me. My sympathy is with the shooter.

Of course it's pretty clear; the homeowner acted within his property rights, but I think the verdict will hinge on intent. The homeowner acted irresponsibly in shooting as he did, and I think he merely fired just to scare....but he did run off at the mouth before hand.

I am not a bleeding heart liberal, but I'm just not comfortable with the homeowner's actions.
by Jim Beaux
Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:09 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???
Replies: 65
Views: 13830

Re: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???

suthdj wrote:whats wrong with setting traps, ever heard of "bait cars". No one forced the thief, I mean poor innocent young student, to enter the garage.
In one instance a person is setup to be arrested; in the other setup to be killed. Sanctity of life is the bed rock of our justice system.
by Jim Beaux
Mon May 26, 2014 8:44 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???
Replies: 65
Views: 13830

Re: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???

sjfcontrol wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:A one note memo from Obama to Merkel would fix this:

"If you prosecute this montanan for defending his home from one of your ill-behaved brats, we'll pull all of our troops out of your country tomorrow, and you can just defend yourselves."

The PS should read:

"Good luck with that socialism thing once you have to start paying for your own defense."
That would require a president with, well, something Obama is missing. :biggrinjester:
....a birth certificate? :smilelol5:
by Jim Beaux
Tue May 20, 2014 1:43 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???
Replies: 65
Views: 13830

Re: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???

RoyGBiv wrote:We just brought up some Chinese military officials on charges even though they never set foot in the USA. Not exactly apples/apples, I agree, given that they were accused of cybertheft from USA-based companies. That said, the Germans may very well be within rights to charge for a crime committed against a German citizen in the USA.... I dunno German law... But, I would certainly want my murderer brought up on charges if I was killed in, say, Mexico, and my family felt that justice was not done.

This will play out in some orderly fashion. I don't see any news here. The folks in MT are protecting their relationship with German tourism and I don't blame them. Politics. In the end, it seems unlikely anybody will be extradited for a crime they were not found guilty of here. The Germans are putting political pressure on MT to make sure justice is done. As I would expect the US to do (although maybe not John Kerry) if the situation was reversed.

No comparison. One case is a matter of international law, and the other is a matter of Constitutional rights for an American accused of a domestic crime. Regardless of physical location, the US was justified in charging Chinese Military for its "virtual" incursions.

Within the borders of the US, we are judge by a jury of our peers. This cannot be allowed to "play out". Germany should be told in no uncertain terms to pound sand.
by Jim Beaux
Tue May 20, 2014 9:16 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???
Replies: 65
Views: 13830

German Penal Law Applies in Montana Shooting???

This incident is outrageous in so many ways it's difficult to know where to begin!

A homeowner is accused of setting a trap after he kills a burglar in his garage. The burglar happens to be a 17 yr old German exchange student. (Ironically, the homeowner is named "Kaarma").

Regardless of whether the homeowner is guilty, the fact that Montana takes an ambiguous position on Germany's claim is an outrage in its self.

I had to read the article twice it was so outrageous.
"...you might find it useful to know that German penal law also applies for crimes committed against German nationals abroad, enabling German state prosecutors to open investigations in such cases." [Consul General of the Federal Republic of Germany, Peter Rothen]
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/19/ge ... n-montana/

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